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    tysongustus
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    So, I’m struggling a bit to figure out when to take all these supplements.

    Able has said to take probiotics on an empty stomach.

    Raster has said to take probiotics with or without food.

    Able has said to take molyb away from probiotics.

    Raster has said to take molyb away from food.

    So, I have to take molyb AND probiotics away from food, AND away from each other??

    Oh, and I’m supposed to be eating smaller meals 6 times a day.

    Help?

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    Able900
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    tysongustus;46922 wrote: So, I’m struggling a bit to figure out when to take all these supplements.

    I don’t know about Raster, but there’s a reason for everything I tell you.

    Able has said to take probiotics on an empty stomach.

    The reason you should take probiotics on an empty stomach is because sometimes the enzymes from food can interfere with the breakdown of the probiotic.

    Able has said to take molyb away from probiotics.

    Probiotics are broken down easier if you have nothing in your stomach other than water at the time you take them.

    Oh, and I’m supposed to be eating smaller meals 6 times a day.

    Eat as many or as few meals as you wish. The only reason I would suggest this is if you’re having digestion problems, plus you’ll absorb more of the nutrients in your food if you eat smaller meals.

    Able

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    tysongustus
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    So can I take everything else with food?

    Molyb, milk thistle, nettles, Vitamin C, Candidate…

    ALA, Ashwaganda, spirulina…

    Anti-fungals, nystatin…

    A & D vitamins, biotin & other B vitamin(s), vitamin E…

    Magnesium, calcium, zinc, iodine…

    Rhodiola, eulothero, ginseng…

    CoQ10, resveratrol, L-carnosine…

    Taurine, collagen, L-glutamine, BCAA…

    Maca, horny goat weed, tribulus, DIM…

    Because if I’m taking probiotics 3x/d on an empty stomach, there isn’t really any other window in which to take the other supplements, except during meals.

    #108410

    DaughterNature
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    Able,

    How many meals do you eat each day? And how many eggs per day? Is 6 too many for a petite woman? I like eggs…

    Tyson,

    These are all great questions. Thanks for posting!

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    tysongustus
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    Yeah, let’s hash this out… So starting with a couple of assumptions:

    Taking probiotics first thing in the morning with a tall glass of warm lemon water is the ideal way to start the day.

    Then you need to wait at least an hour before consuming any molyb, Candidate, coconut oil, other anti-fungals, and food.

    So let’s lay this out… Wake up at 7, warm lemon water + probiotics.

    Then food at 8? But do you want to dump coconut oil and anti-fungals on top of the probiotics you just took, or would it be better to drop some nice bacteria food on top of it? What might be the next logical thing to add?

    Then when does it make the most sense to take the anti-fungals? Maybe set up a schedule of four meals with the molyb and anti-fungals being taken during the intervals in between, and then the probiotics are reserved for early AM and late PM (at the beginning and end of the day)…

    Of course, proteins also compete with each other for absorption, so those should be separated by time and taken away from meals as well. Maybe add a different type of protein to each intra-day supplement-taking space… Ideally, though, you’d be taking in some protein within 30 minutes of waking up. So maybe a little protein in with the probiotics in the morning isn’t such a bad thing? Or do the enzymes that digest protein interfere with the probiotics? What about ALA? I think that’s ideally taken on an empty stomach in the morning, too.

    In any case, with a 16 hour day, one could space out meals by 3 hours and have 1-2 hours before and after for “empty stomach” supplements. For instance:

    7:30am lemon water + probiotics (+ some protein?)
    9:00am breakfast + “with food” and “food optional” supplements
    10:30am “away from food” supplements (e.g. probiotics, protein)
    12:00pm lunch + “with food” and “food optional” supplements
    1:30pm “away from food” supplements
    3:00pm afternoon snack + “with food” and “food optional” supplements
    4:30pm “away from food” supplements
    6:00pm dinner + “with food” and “food optional” supplements
    7:30pm “away from food” supplements
    9:00pm small evening snack + “with food” and “food optional” supplements
    10:30pm bedtime supplements, e.g. ashwaganda, ZMA

    or for fewer meals and more time for digestion…

    7:00am lemon water + probiotics (+ some protein?)
    9:00am breakfast + “with food” and “food optional” supplements
    11:00am “away from food” supplements (e.g. probiotics, protein)
    1:00pm lunch + “with food” and “food optional” supplements
    3:00pm “away from food” supplements
    5:00pm dinner + “with food” and “food optional” supplements
    7:00pm “away from food” supplements
    9:00pm small evening snack + “with food” and “food optional” supplements
    10:30pm bedtime supplements, e.g. ashwaganda, ZMA

    This gives 5 windows for taking “away from food” supplements like probiotics, protein, and others, so you can pick and choose which ones you take together. e.g. three of the windows could be for probiotics and nothing else, and the other two windows are for proteins, etc. Or maybe just the “wake up” window mixes protein and probiotics.

    You’d also want to schedule water in there to make sure you’re drinking enough of it.

    I think this is important because otherwise trying to figure out when to take all this stuff just doesn’t work. If you don’t have a schedule and you’re skipping meals and not taking your supplements when you need to be, you’re not going to be getting the most out of them. Maybe that’s the bigger question… Just how important is it, really, that we separate these things in time? What are the most critical things we separate? Anti-fungals away from probiotics? Molyb away from probiotics? Probiotics away from food? Then how do we go about feeding our new bacterial friends? Probiotics then friendly food then anti-fungals?

    Thanks a million.

    #108463

    tysongustus
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    And maybe we need to get a little more specific…

    With vitamins A & D3, they should be taken together, with fats, for instance.

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    tysongustus
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    Able900;46288 wrote:

    OMG thank you both for answering. I am really good about nutrition this has overwhelmed me with confusion. Just to recap:

    1. Take the mega-flora
    2. Take molybdenum AND candidate (I have both) together?
    3. Stop kefir and coconut oil for now.

    When is the best time to take all of the above?

    It doesn’t matter when you take the molybdenum or Candidate, and you can take them at the same time if you need to. Take the molybdenum whether you’re experiencing die-off or not, but take the Candidate only when you’re starting to feel bad; such as a headache or the flu-like symptoms.

    A-ha! This helps. Thank you!

    #108466

    tysongustus
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    Able900;46294 wrote:

    1. Would you take them first thing on an empty stomach and take probiotic once in am and once before bed?

    2. Do you continue your supplements while doing this?

    3. What do you eat for breakfast if you’re cutting out coconut oil and kefir? I was having a piece of homemade ‘coconut bread’ and a glass of kefer with cinnamon.

    You don’t have to take molybdenum or Candidate either one on an empty stomach, but don’t take these or any other supplement close to the time you take the probiotics.

    Thanks, Able

    And this.

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