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    andsburns
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    I am wondering from a purely scientific standpoint. I have researched this topic a lot but can not really find anything.

    I’m wondering if the use of LSD and/or Psilocybin mushrooms will react negatively with a candida infestation.
    I’m thinking there’s a chance they could but i don’t know for sure.

    I base my guess off this:

    LSD is a chemical derived from ergot, a grain fungus that typically grows on rye, which is not the best sign but then again it’s a chemical, which probably goes through a purification process.

    Psilocybin Mushrooms are a fungus… so also not great.. but still i could not find any research.

    Does anyone have any information about this?

    #88716

    raster
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    I would not do either because it sounds like it could bring harm if you have an infestation. The other side effects to these drugs alone should be a reason not to do them; problems such as drained adrenals, taxing the liver, brain chemistry, and more are good reasons not to do drugs while healing the body.

    -raster

    #88737

    Chris24
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    I havent done LSD but I have done magic truffles (same as mushrooms) while in the middle of my candida infestation. It was an amazing positive experience that upped my mood for weeks, and any physical downsides (shrooms are always slightly poisonous, fungus) is far outweighed by the mental advantages.

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    Javizy
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    Do you just want to trip out or are you researching their potential therapeutic effects? Apparently non-hallucinogenic doses can antagonise serotonin, which actually produces some health benefits. I can’t remember the details, but it’s interesting that research was banned around the time serotonin-boosting antidepressants started being handed out like candy, and getting people to believe that serotonin is the “happy hormone” could make you a lot of money. I read something about research possibly resuming recently. Not sure how that turned out though. Hallucinogenic doses would be at your own risk, I guess. I don’t know anything about it personally.

    As for moulds and such, I think it’s pretty much a case-by-case deal. Kefir contains tens of yeasts, including a candida strain or too. The fungi in parmesan co-inhabit the cheese with various probiotic bacteria. One strain, S. boulardii, is incredibly antagonistic to candida. Certain mushrooms like shiitake stimulate the kind of immune response that helps fight off pathogens like candida. If you eat mouldy tubers, you’ll get the squits and picking the wrong mushroom will send you to the morgue. In short, unless you look it up, it’s a bit of a crapshoot.

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    andsburns
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    Javizy wrote: Do you just want to trip out or are you researching their potential therapeutic effects? Apparently non-hallucinogenic doses can antagonise serotonin, which actually produces some health benefits. I can’t remember the details, but it’s interesting that research was banned around the time serotonin-boosting antidepressants started being handed out like candy, and getting people to believe that serotonin is the “happy hormone” could make you a lot of money. I read something about research possibly resuming recently. Not sure how that turned out though. Hallucinogenic doses would be at your own risk, I guess. I don’t know anything about it personally.

    As for moulds and such, I think it’s pretty much a case-by-case deal. Kefir contains tens of yeasts, including a candida strain or too. The fungi in parmesan co-inhabit the cheese with various probiotic bacteria. One strain, S. boulardii, is incredibly antagonistic to candida. Certain mushrooms like shiitake stimulate the kind of immune response that helps fight off pathogens like candida. If you eat mouldy tubers, you’ll get the squits and picking the wrong mushroom will send you to the morgue. In short, unless you look it up, it’s a bit of a crapshoot.

    So basically what you mean is that a lot of products have contradicting elements so you can’t really be sure that it’s going to work against you?
    Tripping would be the purpose, yes, though not irresponsibly like some kind of degenerate. I mean isn’t tripping the point? When people use them for therapeutic reasons it’s still tripping…

    It seems like your advice comes from no experience, which is fine, i’m open for discussion, though i feel you could be a little more clear with the point youre trying to make..

    For instance, what exactly do you mean by “In short, unless you look it up, it’s a bit of a crapshoot?”

    #88741

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    What about ayahuasca? It’s actually been proven to have certain health benefits.

    Javizy, according to what you’ve written, would you actually recommend people consume parmesan and shiitake mushrooms due to their potential health benefits?

    #88744

    Javizy
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    andsburns wrote: So basically what you mean is that a lot of products have contradicting elements so you can’t really be sure that it’s going to work against you?
    Tripping would be the purpose, yes, though not irresponsibly like some kind of degenerate. I mean isn’t tripping the point? When people use them for therapeutic reasons it’s still tripping…

    It seems like your advice comes from no experience, which is fine, i’m open for discussion, though i feel you could be a little more clear with the point youre trying to make..

    For instance, what exactly do you mean by “In short, unless you look it up, it’s a bit of a crapshoot?”

    Maybe the higher doses can have some more obvious immediate effects on the mind, but I was talking about the positive biochemical effects smaller, non-hallucinogenic doses may have, e.g. on hormonal balance, inflammation, brain chemistry etc. This is why scientists want to research it. 

    Basically, you get told fungi/yeast = bad when you have candida, but they’re just too diverse a category of microbes to generalise like that, as the examples show. People are drinking them in their kefir and even taking them in their probiotics. I was suggesting you’d have to check out the effects of the specific fungal strain on the body before you can judge it, assuming it even contains live spores. Wikipedia and PubMed will probably turn up something.

    M wrote: Javizy, according to what you’ve written, would you actually recommend people consume parmesan and shiitake mushrooms due to their potential health benefits?

    I was just trying to show how diverse fungi are, but I’ve seen some people advocate shiitake for candida as well as two other kinds I forget. I posted those two studies about Parmesan before I think. Type ‘parmigiano’ into PubMed and there should be at least two detailing the probiotic strains of bacteria. It’s one of the few cheeses you can still get made with traditional methods too, so it’s probably one of the least toxic foods on the market.

    #88754

    andsburns
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    andsburns wrote:

    Do you just want to trip out or are you researching their potential therapeutic effects? Apparently non-hallucinogenic doses can antagonise serotonin, which actually produces some health benefits. I can’t remember the details, but it’s interesting that research was banned around the time serotonin-boosting antidepressants started being handed out like candy, and getting people to believe that serotonin is the “happy hormone” could make you a lot of money. I read something about research possibly resuming recently. Not sure how that turned out though. Hallucinogenic doses would be at your own risk, I guess. I don’t know anything about it personally.

    As for moulds and such, I think it’s pretty much a case-by-case deal. Kefir contains tens of yeasts, including a candida strain or too. The fungi in parmesan co-inhabit the cheese with various probiotic bacteria. One strain, S. boulardii, is incredibly antagonistic to candida. Certain mushrooms like shiitake stimulate the kind of immune response that helps fight off pathogens like candida. If you eat mouldy tubers, you’ll get the squits and picking the wrong mushroom will send you to the morgue. In short, unless you look it up, it’s a bit of a crapshoot.

    So basically what you mean is that a lot of products have contradicting elements so you can’t really be sure that it’s going to work against you?
    Tripping would be the purpose, yes, though not irresponsibly like some kind of degenerate. I mean isn’t tripping the point? When people use them for therapeutic reasons it’s still tripping…

    It seems like your advice comes from no experience, which is fine, i’m open for discussion, though i feel you could be a little more clear with the point youre trying to make..

    For instance, what exactly do you mean by “In short, unless you look it up, it’s a bit of a crapshoot?”

    Javizy, i got what youre saying now thanks for clearing that up. I’ll continue with some more research.

    #88791

    fscott
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    If you do end up deciding to give them a try, could you do me a favor and create a post about whether or not you experience a candida reaction afterward? I’ve been interested in trying them again sometime down the road, but, like everyone here, I’m a bit OCD about anything that might jeopardize recovery.

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