- May 31, 2012 at 11:37 am #83614
Hi, I’m about to go in to the dental clinic because I’ve developed an infection in and around a back molar and my mouth is getting nasty. I know they’re going to prescribe opiates and antibiotics, and I’m scared to death. I’m just getting to the end of my die off and this feels like a huge road block. I know antibiotics are bad for the treatment, but what about opiates? I’m scared to take either, but the pain is so bad. I need some advice on how to handle this situation. Please help.May 31, 2012 at 12:46 pm #83619
tlentz1108MemberTopics: 4Replies: 36
Hi, so sorry that you are in such pain. My husband has had quite a few bad tooth aches and has had various root canals when they have occurred and I remember how much pain he was in.
I don’t know when you have your appointment, but until then you might consider trying to oil pull with the unrefined extra virgin coconut oil to pull out some of the infection and help clean your mouth. Also, put a few drops of oil of oregano on a Q-tip and apply to the area to see if it gives you some relief. These are a few natural treatments for oral health, pain and infection that you can try among some others. There are plenty more natural treatments, but I can’t remember them all right now. Just google or search under natural pain supplements for some more information and oil pulling.
I know that it is a dilema when you have pain and infections whether to take anti-biotics or not. That’s a personal choice to take the chance or not. You might want to really increase your probiotics, and keep up or maybe increase some of your supplements if you take antibiotics. I take a theraputic level of vitamins and minerals, but that also is a matter of debate and personal choice as well.
I’m sure able and raster will have some other ideas as well.
All the best,
TeresaMay 31, 2012 at 1:13 pm #83620
Hello, Day, so sorry to hear about this.
Unfortunately, there are often situations which arise during a Candida treatment when we simply have to put the treatment aside at least to a degree in order to protect ourselves from other maladies. Certain types of infections are an example of these situations. An infection in a tooth can be extremely dangerous and painful and not something you want to take lightly. You’ve come quite a way with your treatment, and I know that, if this sets you back a bit, you can once again reach this stage in your treatment with a little extra time. Meanwhile, as soon as you go on the antibiotics increase your probiotic intake and continue to drink homemade kefir (if you’re presently doing this). The pain medication and antibiotics may be absolutely necessary for a while, but it’s not the end of your treatment for Candida as you can still recover completely from the infestation.
Just so you know, what I’ve suggested is exactly what I would do.
AbleMay 31, 2012 at 2:52 pm #83626
Jackie2ParticipantTopics: 57Replies: 197
Able…you always have such wisdome 🙂May 31, 2012 at 4:19 pm #83635
Thanks a lot guys. I went in to the ER earlier and almost passed out from the pain. They gave me pennicin and vicodin. Able, do you think I should continue a moderate amount of oregano oil or drop it out til I get the tooth taken care of? I’m going saturday to get it taken care of. How far spaced out from my penicilin should I take my probiotic btw? I don’t want to be killing the good bacteria at the same time that I’m ingesting it. Thanks for the encouraging words. I know I’m on the verge of beating this and this is only a set back.May 31, 2012 at 5:51 pm #83640
The other thing I was wondering is if my probiotics will impede the penicillin’s action against the infection. It’s very important that the infection has cleared up as much as possible before saturday, because I’m going to a free clinic that is only this weekend and I don’t have dental insurance or make enough money to even take care of it with a cheap dental plan and a discount. If it’s not cleared up enough they won’t treat me because they don’t deal with infections at the clinic. On top of that I’m not sure on whether to keep taking antifungals and antifungal foods because penicillin is a fungus. Please respond asap (able or another expert).May 31, 2012 at 6:54 pm #83641
missielloMemberTopics: 8Replies: 36
Day – I’m in the same boat as you. I started a bladder infection yesterday. I thought it was getting better today but it progressively got worse and I had to go to the walk-in clinic and get microbid. It’s way too painful 🙁
I also want to know how I should work the anti fungals and the probiotics in while treating the uti. The doctor told me the microbid is a very mild antibiotic, and if i wait even longer and it gets worse..i’ll have to take something stronger. so i think it’s better i take it now than later.May 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm #83642
I don’t know if you looked, but check out the post on taking antibiotics during the treatment in ables post index link. It said not to have any extra antifungal activity while on antibiotics and to increase probiotic intake…so that’s a step in the right direction, but the questions I raised earlier in this post are important to have the answers to if we are going to be able to fight off our infections without jeopardizing our treatment too much. I’m going to wait a while and see if I get some solid answers, but whether I do or not I’m going to call a couple of local naturopaths in the morning and see if they can talk to me for a few minutes and give me advice. I’m also going to call the doctor who prescribed me the penicillin and ask his opinion on antifungal/probiotic intake during antibiotic treatment. You might want to do the same. Naturopaths may or may not be willing to share their wisdom for free (I’m inclined to think they are given the nature of their work) and most doctors will be very biased against the idea that you even have candidiasis, but it’s worth a shot. Knowledge is power and we need all we can get in this fight.June 1, 2012 at 12:26 am #83649
JavizyMemberTopics: 20Replies: 945
I can’t see why probiotics would affect the antibiotic treatment. They won’t support pathogens like the one in your tooth, and if anything will compete with them. Antibiotics will just kill whatever bacteria they come into contact with. You’ve just gotta hope they don’t wipe out any entire beneficial species. Probiotics act as support but not replacement. They should help keep candida under control while your indigenous bacteria are weakened by the treatment.
After this is over, I’d take a look at your dental hygiene regime. Make sure you lightly brush all the gum your brush can reach twice a day. You don’t want to give bacteria a chance to grow anywhere in your mouth. Using a decent mouthwash should be useful. Flossing more frequently and avoiding any source of starch (buckwheat, oat bran etc) for a while might help too. Vitamin D and K2 are vital for good dental health, so start supplementing them if you aren’t already. See this post about healing dental caries for an example of what the right vitamins can do.June 1, 2012 at 7:04 am #83665
Jackie2 wrote: Able…you always have such wisdome 🙂
Hey, Lady! So tell me, are you behaving yourself? ; )June 1, 2012 at 7:13 am #83666
check out the post on taking antibiotics during the treatment in Ables post index link. It said not to have any extra antifungal activity while on antibiotics and to increase probiotic intake
Day, the post you’re speaking of was written for a member who was pregnant at the time. I told her to avoid further antifungals because of the baby because I knew that the added probiotics alone would possibly cause additional die-off, and any antifungal would simply add to the amount, and therefore increase the toxins in her body even more which might affect her baby. Our main goal throughout her pregnancy was to protect the baby and to do whatever necessary in order to accomplish that. Anyone who is not pregnant at the time of the antibiotic round could, if they chose to do so, continue or add extra antifungals, just not at the same time as the probiotic dose since the antifungals could interfere with the breakdown and absorption of the CFU’s.
The antibiotic certainly won’t destroy all of the bacteria in the body. If that were true, those of us who have found it necessary to take a round of antibiotics would all be dead by now. Not that we need a book to prove it, but research in the book titled, “How the World Depends on Bacteria” shows that neither animals nor humans can exist without bacteria. So, yes, the antibiotics will destroy a large portion of the bacteria, but certainly not all, and that’s why we need to add more probiotics when taking an antibiotic and continue the amount for several weeks afterwards.
Look at it this way; if you take an extra 100 billion CFU’s of beneficial bacteria in one day, and your antibiotic dose that day is able to destroy 70%, then you still have 30-billion new CFU’s. But if you double your dose and take 200-billion new CFU’s and the same percentage is destroyed, then what you have left is 60-billion or twice as many as you would if you took the lower dose. Of course the numbers I’ve used simply represent an example, but really this is just common sense if nothing else.
AbleJune 1, 2012 at 2:47 pm #83695
Damn dude, what do you do for work? You should teach biology or become a natural doctor lol. Thanks for more wisdom, I wouldn’t have made it this far without you and you’re a huge benefit to us all.
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