Do I have Candida Overgrowth or am I going insane ?

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    kart10
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    Hello guys,

    I have been a lurker for a long time but never actually posted anything.
    I have been dealing with this ‘issue’ for a long time, and I am at a point of judging my insanity at this point.

    Let me give you a very brief intro as to what happened…
    From July 2009 – June 2010, I was on antibiotics – mainly Amoxicillin and Minocycline for acne..

    And I developed insomnia, depression, and some cognitive disabilities (hyperactivity, adhd type of symptoms) which still last to this day.

    My personality changed completely from being introverted into hyperactiv, can’t focus, can barely read.. Multiple symptoms: Depression, general fatigue and malaise, anxiety, insomnia, and ADHD i would say.

    I went through multiple doctors (my family doctor, another GP, infectious disease specialist, neurologist, and finally an integrative medicine doctor.

    I got checked for thyroids, lyme, multiple cbcs, testasterone (came low to my surprise), D3 was low, everything else was “text book perfect” as my doc says it.

    The only thing that helped me was when I took diflucan (100mg) for 4 days in July 2012, my whole world changed.

    I felt some things lift off physically in my body. My feet, my hands, my heart, my liver.. I felt some physical changes. I slept like a baby and woke up in tears of happiness.

    Some things changed, I claimed victory. On my way to work, I felt more attached to my surroundings (I am always spaced out, feel like I am looking at the world through a glass..) I was able to read a book for the first time in close to 5 years.. Those 4 days were the only days I felt normal ever. During this time, I was also on a no sugar diet. My only source of carb was brown rice, and I ate veggies and meat only.

    On the 5th day, I decided to have pizza – and this is when I quickly experienced what hell must’ve felt like. ( I also want to mention that I tested negative for celiac and gluten sensitivity) And I still have not recovered ever since. The diflucan no longer does the same effect.

    My question is: Is it likely that I experienced a placebo effect? My doctors keep claiming that I thought over it and expected this to happen. In reality, I mainly blamed my depression to be permanent and the only thing related to candida was my dry and geographic tongue. I was honestly expecting my geographic tongue to turn red, and I freaked out when my world changed rushing into my doctor’s office to tell her the story…

    That is when my multiple doc visits began… At this time, I also became obsessed with the coating on my tongue (was tested negative for yeast, and it turns out I have a geographic tongue like my mom) having a girlfriend, I brushed it multiple times a day to get rid of what I thought to be yeast. Could it be…. I am specualiting that I thought Diflucan would cure this, and I slept next to my girlfriend not thinking about it anymore ?

    I am not sure. All I know is that, no matter what I do: how i “feel” is directly related to how I eat. Potatoes, bread, carbs make me feel horrible. I have absolutely no GI symptoms or any visible yeast anywhere. I go to the bathroom once or twice a day, and I have no bloating, no gas, no GI symptoms.

    At this point, I still have the same symptoms as well as muscle twitching. The only thing that works now is CandiGONE. When I take it, my twitching stops, and I get semi better but I can’t fully snap out of this foggy brain.My doctor says that it could be magnesium deficiency and the diet could be the one that is making me feel bad… Anyways, he put me on a strict no sugar diet – I can only eat veggies and meat for 2 weeks. He also gave me some anti fungal supplements along with some probiotics.

    He ordered a Metametrix Comprehensive Stool Analysis – and I have beneficial bacteria as very low… Looking at the graph, I would estimate normal to be between 5-8 and mine is around 1 or less with NO GROWTH.

    I also have Candida Unavailable Taxanomy 3+ but they have not tested sensitivity on it.. Not sure if this is what I have that is making me feel bad…

    I am unsure of what to do at this point. The doc who I see now is extremely smart, and he treats intestinal yeast overgrowth and believes in the gut-brain connection. He even knows about fecal transplants and etc.. when my GP looked at me like I was crazy when I mentioned it to her.

    So CandidaDiet guys, what is your opinion? Am I going insane? Did I experience a placebo effect? I have a hard time believing this, because I was always depressed and I did not experience this reaction. My energy improved almost 500% when I was on Diflucan or did I thought it this way? I am lost.

    #106198

    raster
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    I would consider trying out SF722 as your next antifungal. What other antifungals have you tried?

    The candigone product is a multi-antifungal product and we don’t recommend multi-antifungals on the forum. The reason we don’t recommend them is in this post:
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst4662_Rotating-Antifungals–Why-we-SHOULDNT-do-it.aspx

    Berberine which is found in candigone isn’t recommended on the diet because it destroys too much beneficial bacteria. I would look at it as an anti-biotic basically.

    I never had diflucan before but I think you may have experienced a placebo affect. It sounds like you haven’t had other periods of the same symptoms. And it sounds like it didn’t do much since you had a bad reaction to the pizza.

    It sounds like you have leaky gut syndrome and there is a strong mind-body connection with anxiety, adhd, etc. Imagine what all of the candida toxins are doing to the body…

    Also check out the candida symptoms list:
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst6305_100-candida-symptoms-list.aspx

    -raster

    #106204

    goingnatural
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    As someone who has worked in locked psychiatric units I can tell you categorically that insane people DO NOT ask, “Am I going insane?”

    You know, some people have reported very immediate results on diflucan (normally it is around the 3rd week) so I wouldn’t say it is all in your head. I think candida, just like many infectious organisms, develop resistance, so perhaps some of what you experienced your second time around was resistance to diflucan.

    Have you looked into Biofilms? I posted about this subject earlier and really like the use of Interfase along with other anti-yeast/anti-bacterial “weaponry”.

    And I agree with Raster above, Leaky-gut surely is connected to all of this and often candida is one of the root causes of it.

    #106206

    kart10
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    The problem is: I have absolutely no GI issues, and no visible yeast anywhere. I don’t get bloating, gas, pain, diarrhea or allergic reaction to anything. But, I could swear that whatever I experienced on Diflucan was not a Placebo effect. I was miserable the last couple of years, and still am. I feel like I am disconnected from everything. Sort of wobbly. Like the feeling of waking up from a surgery but not being able to fully wake up. Very tired – mental tiredness.. I can not think clearly, and I have a hard time visualizing things in my head. I can’t close my eyes and visualize a scene.. It is very choppy. I sometimes think 5 things at once extremely fast and they mix up. I wake up very tired and in need to rush things.. Like I am running a marathon or something… I can’t sit calmly, watch the trees, or watch TV without feeling rushed. And all of these symptoms went away when I took Diflucan the four days that I took it. My doctor said it was all in my head and she recommended me to a psychiatrist.

    I have graduated from a very top University with an engineering degree, and I can’t do the work I want to do. In addition, my sleep is horrible. My doctor attributes my symptoms to depression, sleep disorder, and OCD over yeast because I have no visible symptoms and all the blood work came normal including MRI, CAT scan, lyme, candida anti bodies etc..

    Thanks guys. I know I am a bit obsessed about this, but it is scary being this way. I feel like I am half alive. I have been this way ever since dropping the anti biotics for acne, and never recovered.

    #106207

    raster
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    You mentioned you only have 1-2 bm’s per day and this is considered to be constipation, so you do have a digestive disorder just so you know. A healthy person should have 3 bm’s or more per day. Most people in america are constipated.

    I have a feeling that a large part of your mental issues are related to the toxins that candida produces and this taxes your organs such as brain, liver, and kidneys. The toxins definitely affect the brain and until you detox from the toxins and do the diet, it simply won’t get better.

    While you may think diflucan is a miracle drug, it only causes the candida to go deeper in my opinion and so it may not bring a long term cure. It also sounds like the 2nd time around it didn’t have the same results so this means that the candida adapted to it and its not as effective. If you rotated to a different systematic antifungal you likely will feel good for a period of time until the candida adapts to it. This is typically what happens when you take antifungals. One antifungal that candida cannot adapt to easily is SF722 as well as food grade antifungals.

    -raster

    #106208

    kart10
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    What kind of tests would show these toxins? I am assuming a blood ethanol test? Fasting and after eating a large carb meal? Dr. Crook’s patients tested positive to alcohol after eating and their symptoms disappeared after going through therapy.
    Or, are there any other tests that could test for these toxins?

    I will bring that up to my doc on my next visit, as well as the anti fungal you mentioned.

    #106211

    raster
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    I would get your liver enzymes tested and this should indicate (if elevated) that toxins are affecting your liver.

    -raster

    #106221

    moochpb
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    Get a metrometrix nutrient deficiency test. It shows if you have sibo plus all your deficiencies and of course yeast

    #106222

    raster
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    Correction it is metametrix…

    I am not the best person to ask in regards to testing; I looked at the metametrix test when I visited their website and I basically don’t know what is the best one to do for your circumstance. Your doctor would have the best idea. I know the GI stool effects test is a diagnostic test for candida.

    Relating to this and building on what mooch mentioned; there is always the chance you have other flora that are out of balance such as strept, h.pylori, sibo (bacteria), etc. Also, there is a good chance you have parasites because the environment in your gut is beneficial to both yeast and parasites…they grow in the same environment.

    -raster

    #106243

    goingnatural
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    kart10;44726 wrote: The problem is: I have absolutely no GI issues, and no visible yeast anywhere. I don’t get bloating, gas, pain, diarrhea or allergic reaction to anything. But, I could swear that whatever I experienced on Diflucan was not a Placebo effect. I was miserable the last couple of years, and still am. I feel like I am disconnected from everything. Sort of wobbly. Like the feeling of waking up from a surgery but not being able to fully wake up. Very tired – mental tiredness.. I can not think clearly, and I have a hard time visualizing things in my head. I can’t close my eyes and visualize a scene.. It is very choppy. I sometimes think 5 things at once extremely fast and they mix up. I wake up very tired and in need to rush things.. Like I am running a marathon or something… I can’t sit calmly, watch the trees, or watch TV without feeling rushed. And all of these symptoms went away when I took Diflucan the four days that I took it. My doctor said it was all in my head and she recommended me to a psychiatrist.

    I have graduated from a very top University with an engineering degree, and I can’t do the work I want to do. In addition, my sleep is horrible. My doctor attributes my symptoms to depression, sleep disorder, and OCD over yeast because I have no visible symptoms and all the blood work came normal including MRI, CAT scan, lyme, candida anti bodies etc..

    Thanks guys. I know I am a bit obsessed about this, but it is scary being this way. I feel like I am half alive. I have been this way ever since dropping the anti biotics for acne, and never recovered.

    Well, just from your symptoms you don’t sound healthy. And you aren’t alone in the OCD/sleep disorder/depression and graduating from a top university boat. 😉

    Dysbiosis is common, with conventional American diet, antibiotics, steroids, and toxins, etc,. etc,.

    I encourage you to stop over-thinking so much and concentrate on getting healthy. Keep this simple. OCD isn’t easy but in my personal experience it lessens as the body gets healthy. Take out ALL the junk and put in the good. Think of OCD and depression as a SYMPTOM of your body saying: HELP ME, I’M SICK. NOT as something separate as “conventional medicine” preaches.

    Good luck and please update us on your journey.

    #106246

    dvjorge
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    [h]From July 2009 – June 2010, I was on antibiotics – mainly Amoxicillin and Minocycline for acne[h][/h][/h]

    This is the number 1 reason of Candida Related Complex.

    Jorge.

    #106248

    dvjorge
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    kart10;44728 wrote: What kind of tests would show these toxins? I am assuming a blood ethanol test? Fasting and after eating a large carb meal? Dr. Crook’s patients tested positive to alcohol after eating and their symptoms disappeared after going through therapy.
    Or, are there any other tests that could test for these toxins?

    I will bring that up to my doc on my next visit, as well as the anti fungal you mentioned.

    I will help you.

    There are tests that are definitive to diagnose CRC but probably no useful in your particular case. I assume you have an overgrowth of yeast unicells since they showed high in the CDSA.

    Yeast unicells are toxic makers but are extracellular organisms meaning they don’t cause gastrointestinal symptoms. People who have extracellular yeast overgrowth in the intestines don’t have gastrointestinal symptoms. They have remote organs symptoms caused by the amount of yeast metabolites these unicells release. Since you don’t have gastrointestinal complain, Drs never associate your neuroendocrine symptoms with yeast living inside your intestines. However, the metabolic wastes these colonies generate are responsible for your symptoms.

    There are two form of intestinal yeast overgrowth, the extracellular form and the extra/ intracellular form.

    Again, I assume you don’t have the extra/intracellular form.

    I hope this help you. If you have any question, feel free to ask me. I am able to explain it better if you need it.

    Jorge.

    #106252

    kart10
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    raster;44742 wrote: Correction it is metametrix…

    I am not the best person to ask in regards to testing; I looked at the metametrix test when I visited their website and I basically don’t know what is the best one to do for your circumstance. Your doctor would have the best idea. I know the GI stool effects test is a diagnostic test for candida.

    Relating to this and building on what mooch mentioned; there is always the chance you have other flora that are out of balance such as strept, h.pylori, sibo (bacteria), etc. Also, there is a good chance you have parasites because the environment in your gut is beneficial to both yeast and parasites…they grow in the same environment.

    -raster

    Oh yeah. I also tested positive for H.Pylori and a couple of parasites were found. My doc mentioned that I need to get those treated as well – probably with more anti biotics…

    DV Jorge, what tests can I go through to make my doctors think that it is not all in my head ? Or, will that be nearly impossible ?

    Anyways, I am heading to bed. Thanks guys. I wish you all the best of luck in pursuing your happiness and a healthy future full of smiles.

    #106731

    flor
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    ON CANDIDA, LEAKY GUT, AND ENEMAS

    Hello, this is a message for Dvjorge, sorry to intrude, I dont know exactly how this forum thing works (I am new to it). But I am sure this post might help other people too.

    I started the nystatin enemas last week. I have been doing them every day (is this too often???). On day 3 I saw strings coming out, also on day 4 and 5 , and yesterday nothing.

    I have no tests but I am 100 % sure I have leaky gut due to candida possibly. The thing is that after 5 minutes of the nystatin enema, I start to taste the nystatin in my mouth and also my sweat smells of nystatin. This tells me that my colon is full of holes and the nystatin goes immediately into the blood. My question is: how dangerous is this? the nystatin should not go into the blood. My liver is feeling heavy after the enemas. And do you know how long it takes for the colon to start to heal, so it will be less leaky and I can use the antifungals more safely???
    thank you!!!!
    Flor

    #106756

    tanyanurse
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    Kart10,

    I have nearly the same symptoms as you. I am an RN and really NEED my brain but I have brain fog all th e time. Food makes it worse. I cannot give you much advice because I am a newbie here. But it is comforting knowing you are in the right place and there are other that feel just like you do.

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