- July 8, 2012 at 9:41 am #86356
Hello all — I am new to this forum but would be glad to hear others’ experiences. Thanks for any replies! 🙂
I’ve been on the candida diet for one week on the advice of my dermatologist. I am also taking a number of supplements to support improved gut flora. I find my muscles and joints are aching terribly overnight. When I get up in the morning and move around, the pain mostly goes away. But then overnight, this awful pain returns.
I know muscle and joint pain are known die-off symptoms.
However, are others experiencing these symptoms much more dramatically *overnight*?
Thank you! 🙂July 8, 2012 at 10:06 am #86360
Yes! I almost hating going to bed because I never knew what morning would have in store for me. I had profound morning sickness for months too. I still pop a milk thistle first thing in the morning with some hot ginger tea.July 8, 2012 at 10:25 am #86361
To “S.” — thank you for your reply! I can empathize. I avoid even turning over at night because my leg muscles feel like death when I do it.
I guess you take the milk thistle to support the liver’s efforts to process the toxins?
jurecaJuly 8, 2012 at 11:22 am #86368
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You need to heal the liver as much as possible, or protect it, during the die-off period. The liver is what controls how toxic you feel from die-off. Milk thistle and molybdenum can reduce die-off because they protect the liver.
Here’s a post about it:
-rasterJuly 8, 2012 at 11:30 am #86371
Thank you, raster. I appreciate the link! My multivitamin has molybdenum but I will look into proper dosage. I’m also getting whopper headaches during the day so maybe that Native product is also a good one to consider. Anyway, thanks so much!
I’m still mystified, though, as to why different symptoms occur at different times of day. Night = muscle/joints; Day = headaches.
Trying to avoid Tylenol etc as the liver is clearly already BUSY! 🙂
jureca 🙂July 8, 2012 at 11:51 am #86373
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jureca wrote: I know muscle and joint pain are known die-off symptoms.
These can also be normal Candida overgrowth symptoms.July 8, 2012 at 8:49 pm #86394
Yes – Able is right. At my worst I also had such incredible pain in the bottoms of my feet. I would wake up in the morning and just ball wondering how in the hell I would make it through work when I was standing at the sink brushing my teeth and felt like I was standing on an iron grate but it was just the flat floor. My ankles would ache too. But I was unlucky – I didn’t know about milk thistle or moly then. I’m glad you do. Also – remember to drink plenty of water!!!! Headaches are a part of die off, but don’t forget to stay extra hydrated (just in case you’re not drinking enough – but you probably already are.) 🙂
I would get headaches that lasted for three days. And extreme back pain. I went a long time laying on a heating pad every night – or I couldn’t sleep.July 9, 2012 at 7:24 am #86424
Able — Thanks for the heads up. My achy muscles/joints started immediately when I began cleansing so I’m still thinking it’s die-off.
S — Thank you so much! 🙂 Are you feeling better now? I hope so! 🙂 I am drinking tons of water and still need to go out and get the milk thistle and moly… I used to take milk thistle regularly when I thought I was drinking a weeeee bit too much wine! 😉 Those days are gone now…gotta get rebalanced! Have a great day!July 9, 2012 at 9:09 pm #86479
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Hello Raster, I saw your shared post. This post can help anybody for Die Off Symptom Worse and it is very informative.July 10, 2012 at 7:13 am #86507
Just wanted to say thanks to those who replied to my original post, and also offer an update.
I’m ten days into the diet and the overnight die-off symptoms are starting to calm down. Still some muscle and joint discomfort overnight into morning but not nearly as painful as when I first posted.
Headaches continue during the day…sometimes crushing headaches like I have right now. I just now (finally) purchased Thisilyn (milk thistle) and Chelated Molybdenum based on advice I received here and elsewhere.
This is a great forum for learning and sharing. I appreciate any additional advice, and hope my post can help another person someday.
jurecaJuly 11, 2012 at 4:57 pm #86611
jureca – sorry i didn’t write back right away. Yes, I am doing much better. Have not had the morning sickness or extreme pain for months now. I still am not all the way fixed – but I”m getting there. I have other issues too, not just candida. I’m so glad to hear you’re doing better. The pain of die-off can be awful and scary. I’m glad you’re sticking it out. 🙂July 11, 2012 at 5:04 pm #86612
Dear S — thank you for your kind message! I am glad to hear you are feeling better too, bit by bit. I kept thinking of how painful you said standing on your feet was, and how awful that must have been especially at work!
I’m not giving up, and I am just starting to see skin problems clear up that have bothered me for at least six months. It’s an incentive to carry on! Best to you and thanks again! 🙂July 18, 2012 at 9:20 am #87098
Update — three weeks into the diet and supplement plan advised by my naturopathic MD/dermatologist.
Die-off symptoms are calming down. Much less joint and muscle pain, and less intense headaches, although they still come on in the afternoon.
I do credit the Thisilyn and Molybdenum with directly impacting the symptoms — or should I rephrase that: with helping my liver better manage the waste products from the dying yeast.
And even my MD/derm confirmed today that those two supplement additions were good choices.
Thanks to those who pointed me in a good direction (Able, Raster, Missiello, others)! Love this forum!
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