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  • #79614

    boganmobile
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    Hello,

    I have some questions about the die-off process please.

    How can it be that the die-off lasts for days or weeks – but according to my doctor it will take about 6 months to kill the candidiasis?

    Surely for the next five or so months candidiasis will continue to die – so why will I not be experiencing the die-off all that time?

    By way of background,

    I am a 31 year old male. I am in about week 4-5 of taking anti-fungals, probiotics, milk thistle, charcoal, amongst other supplements, and following a strict diet.

    The worst of the die-off – fever, terrible moods, insomnia, loss of appetite, etc., appear to have stopped. The muscle pain has lessened.

    Yet the fatigue is overwhelming. I only just have the energy to cook and clean for myself. (it has been like this for about a year and a half – but I was expecting it to lessen after the die off.) And I feel weepy and feel like crying about nothing. My concentration is very bad. I can hardly focus on TV shows.

    There is still a lot of candidiasis in my stools. In fact I really like seeing it – it appears to be the one piece of evidence that I am achieving something.

    Many thanks in advance

    #79637

    Positivo
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    It’s hard for me to say how long die off may last. I’m 2 months in and the die off was intense the first couple of weeks. For me it’s calmed down but it may slow down and intensify again. If your take molybdenum and get rid of toxins through exercise, sauna and hot baths then you are likely to experience less die off but die off can probably last through the whole treatment. Also in the beginning the number of candida that the antifungals are killing is probably greater then the number you’ll kill after the first month or two but this is just a guess. I’m no expert so hopefully some of the more experienced people here can help. Good luck.

    #79671

    boganmobile
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    Thanks very much.

    Can I ask – how are your fatigue levels?

    Would people who have experience at least 6 month of die-off please comment?

    #79673

    Positivo
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    boganmobile wrote: Thanks very much.

    Can I ask – how are your fatigue levels?

    Would people who have experience at least 6 month of die-off please comment?

    Fatigue wasn’t too big of an issue for me. As of right now fatigue doesn’t effect me. I Exercise regularly without a problem and I sleep regularly.

    #79674

    Aloe214
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    I have been on diet for 3 months now and I still experience what I believed the die off. Whenever I change the new probiotic or antifungal, I will experience some headache and sick feeling.

    #79678

    boganmobile
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    Aloe214 wrote: I have been on diet for 3 months now and I still experience what I believed the die off. Whenever I change the new probiotic or antifungal, I will experience some headache and sick feeling.

    I thought that the die off was supposed to be over after three months?

    #79680

    Able900
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    boganmobile wrote:

    I have been on diet for 3 months now and I still experience what I believed the die off. Whenever I change the new probiotic or antifungal, I will experience some headache and sick feeling.

    I thought that the die off was supposed to be over after three months?
    Understand there’s no set rule that says you have to be completely over all die-off symptoms in a specific length of time. Depending on how severe your infestation is/was as well as how intense your treatment is, you can still experience mild die-off many months after starting the diet. For example, a few weeks ago Raster wrote that he had been on the diet for nine months yet he believed that he was still experiencing mild die-offf occasionally.

    The worst part of the die-off experience is usually over within a month, however, it can return at any time when a strong antifungal or probiotic is added and if there is enough of the overgrowth to cause die-off to occur, especially if precautions are not being taken to protect your body from the toxins.

    Able

    #79681

    raster
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    I had severe die off for about 2-6 weeks. Afterwards it lessened more and more and eventually it wasn’t a problem. However, occasionally after taking some antifungals or eating something, I will get a die-off symptom such as a heart palpitation, tremors, muscle twitches, headaches, etc. It happens very rarely, maybe like once a month or so at this point in my treatment (almost a year now).

    But, am I debilitated like I was at month 1? No I am not and I hope I never have to experience that again.

    As far as fatigue…this is something that takes a long time to recover from because your body is so taxed from healing and fighting candida. I personally have finally not feel fatigued after 10 months on the diet where I feel pretty normal. What I noticed is that once I started to get better quality and length of sleep, the fatigue lessened quite a bit.

    -raster

    #79742

    forevercody
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    I stopped taking Molybdenum after 2 months on the diet as I was ovwer the worst of the die off. I still occasionally get headaches after testing a new item or changing probiotic. I was wondering how long Molybdenum should be taken? and should it be taken if you get a headache?

    #80011

    boganmobile
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    forevercody wrote: I stopped taking Molybdenum after 2 months on the diet as I was ovwer the worst of the die off. I still occasionally get headaches after testing a new item or changing probiotic. I was wondering how long Molybdenum should be taken? and should it be taken if you get a headache?

    Good questions. Would someone please answer?

    #80012

    boganmobile
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    I am 5 and a half weeks in and tearing my hair out.

    I don’t know if this post will have any point other than letting me vent.

    I have back problems. Mysteriously I have had NO back pain during the die-off period – until two days ago when it returned with a vengeance. My mindset has also been pretty good – until about 2 days ago. I now feel flat. Its odd to feel as though I am falling apart when I am right near the end!!!

    Symptoms? Same old. Mood swings. Anxiety. Agitation. Night sweats. Muscle pain. Extreme fatigue. Some diarrhea and constipation. Fluctuating appetite. Poor concentration. Blah blah. I take milk thistle and clay and husks et al to try and lessen the die off.

    I have been off work for a year and a half with ‘cfs’. This candidiasis avenue is new and suggested by a new doctor. I guess some of my anxiety is about whether this diet and the anti-fungals et al will make a major difference. Or am I going to end this die off period and be stuck with cfs at a similar intensity? The cfs specialist says that I am unlikely to return to work. The doctor who suggested candidiasis thinks this could be the whole problem. Argh. Time will tell. I am having a hair and minerals test.

    I had been through a rough patch before this illness a year and a half ago. I feel like I am entitled to a break. But obviously illness doesn’t work like that.

    #80026

    orka1998
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    It is like that for most of us. It was for me as well. I think around 5 or 6 weeks in I was in bed for like 3-4 days sick and unable to stand on my feet. For the past month or so I had better or worse days but never as bad.

    I think this just takes time and if the infestation is serious enough to cause other problems I think you should expect it to take long time. I know it is frustrating and all you want is to be better, but it will not happen overnight.

    They say “healthy person has million wishes, but sick one has only one: to get better!”

    Focus on getting better and the anxiety will calm down a bit. Once you start feeling better, it will get easier to continue.

    Best of luck to you!

    Arijana

    #80027

    raster
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    Hello Boganmobile,

    Unfortunately the clay and husks do not kill much candida. Additionally these are not meant to be taken long term…only during the cleanse period outlined on the main website. We do not promote husks on the forum because they can cause internal bleeding.

    So, this makes me think you don’t have the right protocol for healing. Are you following the forum’s protocol?

    What supplements are you taking? What is your diet like right now? What probiotics are you taking; what count are they and how many strains? I am concerned that you aren’t taking the best supplements to get better and aren’t following a strict enough diet. Most members in the forum follow a stricter version of the diet when compared to the website and this is because you heal much faster with this diet.

    Here’s the protocol we developed on the forum if you are interested:

    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst1334_From-Able-and-Raster-The-Protocol.aspx

    -raster

    #80071

    boganmobile
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    Ok look I don’t want to waste anyone’s time. This is my situation:

    My doctor has given me a very different diet and treatment approach to what is advocated here. I have decided to follow her approach for 3 months, then review. If I am not feeling substantially better in three months – then I will follow the approach outlined here.

    Why am I doing this? Because it seems sensible. My doctor is the first person to even mention candida, has had it herself, and has a relatively natural and integrated approach.

    And frankly I don’t want to go back to her next month and say ‘I’ve dumped your approach even though I didn’t give it time to see if it worked or not.’

    Anyway, to summarise, she has got me taking Nizoral and Threelac. The clay and husks I have added myself due to constipation. And she has given me various minerals and vitamins and supplements.

    I will not bore you with the details of the diet other than to say that I can not have sugar, fruit, dairy, yeast (except for yogurt) etc. I can have meat and potatoes and so on. There is no reference to starch or carbs or anything like that. The focus of the diet is sugar: avoiding it. The second most important aspect I am told is yeast. Avoiding that.

    So what am I doing here? I don’t know where else to go. The first time I had ever heard of candidiasis was 5 weeks ago. None of my friends or family have been treated for it. And it doesn’t sound like the mainstream medical establishment treats it.

    And to be fair – I have definitely experienced die off. No doubt about that. Every text book symptom.

    I find it strange that it is week 5 – and hopefully the die off is nearly over – and NOW I am feeling depressed. For weeks 1-4 I was very grumpy but not depressed. Now I feel weepy.

    I’ve been in bed for a year and a half now and my mindset has been reasonably good given how uncomfortable and sick I have been. I haven’t given up.

    One thing that plagues me a bit is that I haven’t seen a specialist. I don’t even know if there is a specialist who will treat candidiasis. The Cfs specialists told me to have rest, pain killers and to see an exercise physiologist. But there a chance that candidiasis albicans is only a small part of the problem. My stool tests said that the issues with ‘other yeast’ were significant. How do I know if they are being treated with nizoral? And what of an operation? I have read that in server cases an operation can be required to extract embedded candida from the intestinal tract? Well I don’t want to be melodramatic but I spent a few months sleeping 20 hours a day and unable to care for myself. That seems server to me. And I don’t want my organs giving way.

    Argh anyway that is my situation and why I am here.

    I appreciate all of your help so far.

    #80072

    boganmobile
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    orka1998 wrote: It is like that for most of us. It was for me as well. I think around 5 or 6 weeks in I was in bed for like 3-4 days sick and unable to stand on my feet. For the past month or so I had better or worse days but never as bad.

    That was very helpful. Thank you.

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