CANDEX…?? reaction or die off, that is the ?

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    runmillerun
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    I know this topic has been covered a little here and there but I have to figure out whether I had a reaction or die off.

    About an hour after taking it I had a really bad stomach ache (pressure from gas build up) Tons of gas and burping. Tons! I had burning pressure behind eyes, like I just drank some booze. I had a headache and felt tingling –pins and needle style all over my back and belly and legs. I itched in these places too.

    This happened with a slight difference in severity three times.

    I went onto amazon and I wished I had read a reply on the 1 star reviews before I purchased it. The guy was a scientist and said that Candex feeds candida. He had pages of proof, data and examples.

    I don’t know what to think, but I know I am frustrated and pissed off. I feel liek I lost so much ground with a anti candida diet and all the other supplements I take that actually work and I had been feeling so good with no reactions.

    Please anyone that took this maybe have a hunch whether it was die off or feeding the yeast (reaction).

    THanks for your time.

    #114159

    raster
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    The main benefit to digestive enzymes is to break down the food you eat so it absorbs better. This mainly is necessary if you have food fermenting in the gut and have absorption problems such as leaky gut.

    If you do not have this problem then you don’t need to take them unless you have a specific plan in place.

    I haven’t heard of people having this problem before so I recommend not using this product.

    You also were taking 2 digestive enzyme products at the same time and this is overkill.

    -raster

    #114173

    laineyk
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    So glad to hear this, I was supposed to take Candex as part of a 3 month protocol. So Now Oreganol is out and so is Candex.

    what should I take?

    #114183

    raster
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    Someone was taking candyzyme and candex together and these are two digestive enzyme products. You only need one.

    Plan on a 6-18 month recovery time to get better from CRC…it could take longer.

    -raster

    #114188

    runmillerun
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    I don’t know who you are referring to but I was only taking candex, I had stopped the regular digestive enzymes.
    What I don’t understand is that these very same enzymes are in regular off the shelf digestive enzymes as well. Which feed yeast????? I don’t want to be taking any then, correct. And these enzymes are made from yeast too. I find this really strange and controversial.

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    Candex contains the fibre digesting enzymes, cellulase and hemicellulase. The manufacturer claims because yeast cell walls are built mainly of fibre, which is mostly made of the complex carbohydrate, cellulose, cellulase and hemicellulase are capable of killing yeast.
    However, a review of the scientific literature suggests that this mechanism of action is unlikely to be true. For while plant cell walls are made predominantly of cellulose, yeast cell walls are not (yeast are classified as fungi). For example, in the article, “Synthesis of the yeast cell wall and its regulation” in the Annual Review of Biochemistry, there is mention of many other complex carbohydrates found in yeast cell walls, but there is no mention of cellulose[1] nor is cellulose mentioned as a cell wall component in ”candida albicans”, the yeast strain most frequently associated with human fungal infections.[2] Indeed, scientists have even modified yeast cells so they can make their own cellulases. This allows the modified yeast to ferment widely available plant material, which is made mostly of cellulose, and turn plant cellulose into alcohol for biofuels (cellulosic ethanol). One scientific article even called yeast an “ideal host strain” for producing cellulases.[3] This is consistent with cellulase not being toxic to yeast and no mention was made of any toxic effect of cellulases on the modified yeast.
    Furthermore, while many internet sites claim that cellulase enzymes might degrade the chitin found in yeast cell walls, once again no evidence is presented for this. Enzymes are known to be highly specific and in general cellulases have not been found to be active on chitin. To quote one scientific article: “The purified cellulase was devoid of chitinase, pectinase and mannanase activities”.[4] Moreover, in contrast to the previously mentioned fact that yeast bioengineered to make cellulases remain healthy,[3] when a chitinase gene was bioengineered into the same yeast strain it resulted in complete growth inhibition.[5] This again suggests cellulases do not in general contain significant chitinase activity.
    Similarly, although many internet sites claim cellulase degrades yeast biofilms, no peer-reviewed scientific evidence was offered in support of this. The exact chemical composition of yeast biofilms remains poorly understood and although there is evidence for it containing many different types of polysaccharides, there was no evidence presented that it contains cellulose or is susceptible to cellulase digest.[6]
    The manufacturer further claims Candex enzymes kill yeast but don’t stimulate the yeast to release toxins, thereby avoiding unpleasant die-off reactions, contrary to using fungicidal drugs and herbs. But once again, there is no reference to a peer-reviewed scientific journal to support these claims. An alternative explanation might be that there are no unpleasant die-off reactions simply because the Candex enzymes do not effectively kill yeast.
    The remaining enzymes found in Candex: amylase, glucoamylase, diastase, and invertase are involved in basic carbohydrate and sugar metabolic pathways and are not involved in cell wall lysis. For example, Invertase catalyzes the conversion of sucrose (common table sugar) into glucose and fructose. Much of the invertase used in the food industry is actually purified from yeast itself as yeast contain an abundance of their own naturally produced invertase.[7]
    Candex is sold in sizes of 40 or 120 capsules. 4 capsules equal one daily dose, which may later be reduced. 4 capsules contain:[8]

    #114189

    runmillerun
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    that is a blurb I found on the internet. I did not write it but I am questioning the effectiveness of them or should I be taking them based on what I am reading.

    #114193

    laineyk
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    I think he was referring to me, although I was/am not taking both at the same time.

    I was told to take Cardizyme for a month, then switch over to Oreganol for another moth and then switch to Candex.

    After reading so much on this site I believe that I will continue with the Cardizyme and really get strict with the diet, and add a antifungal, already take strong probiotic

    Just trying to figure if I should get a script for antifungal or tey taking natural one.

    any suggestions?

    #114195

    runmillerun
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    really be strict with your diet, that is so so so so important and you can go off all antifungals for a week or two and have a stool culture done to see what yeasts grow and they can test the yeast in reaction to all different kinds of antifungals so you know which one works the best. but the diet, strictness is important!! and the probiotics too. It has to be a three tier plan. good luck.

    #114196

    laineyk
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    no one does the test for Candida here in NY….so have no idea where to turn

    #114201

    raster
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    So the digestive enzymes don’t really kill candida very quickly. They are mostly used as a digestive aid. They also help dissolve biofilms, which is the protective fence that the yeast creates to protect itself. This works very slowly over a long period of time.

    If you want to kill the yeast, I recommend taking antifungals. These alone won’t cure infestation of course.

    Basically, a combination of a few specific supplements will help your condition get stabilized, this is a plan you can devise yourself or created by a professional. Everyone should be taking their own specific set of supplements to get better for their own specific problems.

    There is no one single product that will get you better and this condition requires a long term approach spending lots of money typically.

    A typical anti-candida plan includes probiotics, antifungals, digestive aid products, as well as a variety of specific supplements for specific symptoms.

    -raster

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