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    raster
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    Hey guys,

    I am creating this post to help you brainstorm alternative or unusual ways to defeat candida and get better. Each of these have pro’s and con’s and I hope to link to some older posts in time as I edit this. Everything I write is pure opinion. I am not a candida expert and I have only been studying it for the last 2.5 years (and not even that thoroughly). This post will be updated in time with more content, it takes a long time to find it all in the forum!

    S. boulardii and yeast to fight yeast Protocol:
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst7358_S-Boulardii-Protocol.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst7320_See-this-article—–There-is-something-serious-with-it.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst2180_Testimony-of-someone-cured-with-S–Boulardii-and-enemas.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst7307_Yeast-against-yeast.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst7235_You-are-taking-me-light.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst7107_interesting-reading.aspx

    Pros:
    Seems to be an effective experimental treatment for many who have tried it. Seems relatively safe. Cheap price and low time table to get better.

    Cons:
    Other internal cycles and sources can cause your overgrowth and so one single treatment by itself might not be enough and you may have specific causes of your CRC (candida related complex) or illness. For instance, pH by itself can cause you to feel bad…this essentially might mean you are dehydrated. pH is hard to change quickly, it takes a long time to balance it via proper nutrition and hydration.

    If you are allergic to yeast this might not be the best thing for you, and I would consult a physician or allergist.

    Price: $$-$$$
    Timeline: Pretty fast (few days to few months)

    Fecal transplant:
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst8935_Faecal-Transplant-Therapy.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst5650_Fecal-bacteriotherapy–fecal-transplant.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst5163_The-future-Universal–Super-Probiotic.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst5148_Fecal-Transplant-last-long-term.aspx

    Pros:
    Touted as a great medical breakthrough in the media, it can help people with major long term gut disorders bringing immediate relief.

    Cons:
    Other internal cycles and sources can cause your overgrowth and so one single treatment by itself might not be enough and you may have specific causes of your CRC (candida related complex) or illness. For instance, pH by itself can cause you to feel bad…this essentially might mean you are dehydrated. pH is hard to change quickly, it takes a long time to balance it via proper nutrition and hydration.

    You have to find a good safe donor that is a family member and you could acquire their parasites, bad bugs, etc.

    Cost: $$$-$$$$
    Timeline: The transplant itself doesn’t take much time. You’ll need to help promote its growth afterwards.

    Methylation Cycles:
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst7877_Attn-EVERYONE–Methylation-and-Candida.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst9728_IMPOSSIBLE–Huge-cysteine-problems-methylation-questions.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst9811_A-good-reading-from-MyHill–Methylation.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst9505_Your-Unknown-Underlying-Cause–Methylation-Dysfunction-Symptoms.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst9794_Article-on-methylation-and-how-it-all-fits-together.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst9822_Most-important-supplements-to-assist-Methylation.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst9457_How-I-CURED-my-candida-problem.aspx
    Pros:
    A recent spotlight has been shined on methylation cycles recently (by Impossible) and I feel that the hype is totally legitimate. However, you need to keep in mind that methylation cycles are rather complex and often inter-related to other bodily processes. I look at methylation as being a cycle larger than candida by itself, and is more related to general disease. I learned a few things from my naturopath today and wanted to mention them here in this post.

    He said that something that is more important than methylation cycles is bodily pH. He says that pH is the foundation to any methylation cycle. If your pH is not close to normal, then your methylation cycle is likely messed up. He said that pretty much anyone who is ill with CRC has a methylation problem. He also said they likely have a pH problem as well. So its an all encompassing health issue like nutritional deficiencies, pH, liver health, digestive health, etc.

    Cons:
    My naturopath also stated that curing your methylation cycle will not cure CRC, it will simply just make you feel better. He stated that if your pH is not neutral, then the methylation cycle will never become normalized again (if you are trying to heal/fix it) so it can be a losing battle in his opinion. Additionally, he feels that healing/fixing this cycle needs to be addressed in conjunction with other healing processes in the body because there are other causes of CRC. Its like comparing it to correcting your vitamin deficiencies and feeling good…but still have the yeast overgrowth lingering in the background waiting to pounce at the right moment (and still being deficient in trace minerals). Fixing your methylation cycle brings better general health but it doesn’t address the overall problem.

    Other internal cycles and sources can cause your overgrowth and so one single treatment by itself might not be enough and you may have specific causes of your CRC (candida related complex) or illness. For instance, pH by itself can cause you to feel bad…this essentially might mean you are dehydrated. pH is hard to change quickly, it takes a long time to balance it via proper nutrition and hydration.

    Cost: $$$/month
    Timeline: varies person to person but treatment should be quick if person is pH neutral

    Candida allergy shots (aka Hyposensitization shots):
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst5755_Hyposensitization-to-break-the-immune-paralysis-against-candida.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst5700_Yeast-Vaccine—Orian-Truss—Missing-Diagnosis.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst7377_Candida-Shots.aspx

    Pros:
    Elevates your bodily response to fight candida. Seems to be pretty effective when combined with other therapies and treatments.

    Cons:
    You don’t know what is in the shots and the shots are expensive. Finding an allergist that can give you these shots may be difficult.

    Other internal cycles and sources can cause your overgrowth and so one single treatment by itself might not be enough and you may have specific causes of your CRC (candida related complex) or illness. For instance, pH by itself can cause you to feel bad…this essentially might mean you are dehydrated. pH is hard to change quickly, it takes a long time to balance it via proper nutrition and hydration.

    Price: (about $750 for 6 months)
    Timeline: can last years, there may be some short turnaround stories out there possibly

    Enemas:
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst8827_Enemas-may-be-the-key.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst1875_Kefir-and-Nystatin-enemas.aspx?=
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst2180_Testimony-of-someone-cured-with-S–Boulardii-and-enemas.aspx

    Pros:
    Apparently kills and removes candida colonies in the colon as well as parasites and other stuff that may have overgrown and found a home. This has been a historic health remedy used by many ancient cultures in the past. Wide variety of substances you can use to do this such as baking soda, purified water, antifungals, etc.

    Cons:
    Doesn’t sound appealling and kind of gross. Slight potential to remove beneficial bacteria from the colon. Needs to be done in conjunction with other methods to get better.

    Other internal cycles and sources can cause your overgrowth and so one single treatment by itself might not be enough and you may have specific causes of your CRC (candida related complex) or illness. For instance, pH by itself can cause you to feel bad…this essentially might mean you are dehydrated. pH is hard to change quickly, it takes a long time to balance it via proper nutrition and hydration.

    Costs: $$
    Timeline: You can do this treatment once or over a period of years…its up to you how long to do it.

    Chelation:
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst8933_Chelators-and-one-theory.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst7890_Amalgam-removal.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst7527_Progress-on-Mercury-Medicine.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst7600_A-very-good-reading-about-chelation.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst6641_Mercury-discussion.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst2176_This-is-a-MUST-read-for-everyone-with-CANDIDA.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst2062_Mercury-fillings-in-my-teeth-and-the-losing-battle.aspx

    Pros:
    Most humans have high levels of heavy metals, its a product of our society. Because of this, its important to remove them from the body. When done effectively, this will promote a whole variety of benefits such as stronger immunity, sex drive, energy, and proper function of organs within the body, etc.

    Cons:
    Chelation removes beneficial minerals as well as bad ones. If you remove too many beneficial minerals, this can cause greater problems than candida like osteoperosis, arthritis, etc. The best way to prevent this from happening is to be pH neutral (or close to it). Most people are overly acidic in their pH and this will promote the removal of too many minerals, which would be a detriment to your health and benefit the yeast and other diseases.

    Another problem with chelation is depending on whatever chelation product you use, you could move around the bad heavy metals to parts of the body that you don’t want to like the heart, brain, liver, etc.

    A lot of people decide to chelate on their own without doctor’s advice and oversight and this could be dangerous. This is something not to take lightly and is a very serious endeavor.

    Other internal cycles and sources can cause your overgrowth and so one single treatment by itself might not be enough and you may have specific causes of your CRC (candida related complex) or illness. For instance, pH by itself can cause you to feel bad…this essentially might mean you are dehydrated. pH is hard to change quickly, it takes a long time to balance it via proper nutrition and hydration.

    Costs: $$$/month
    Timeline: varies person to person

    Nutritional balancing (alternative to chelation):
    http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/NUT.%20BAL%20INTRO.htm
    http://www.pamkilleen.com/nutritional-balancing/

    Pros:
    This involves eating a specific diet to address specific nutritional problems and deficiencies. It sounds quite promising and isn’t that far away from the gerson thereapy used to fight cancer. It also sounds like a safe way to chelate heavy metals.

    Cons:
    The only unfortunate thing about is you need careful monitoring by a specialized doctor (or naturopath) and this will require a lot of testing.

    Costs: $$$$/month
    Timeline: varies person to person, but likely a few weeks to few months

    Other internal cycles and sources can cause your overgrowth and so one single treatment by itself might not be enough and you may have specific causes of your CRC (candida related complex) or illness. For instance, pH by itself can cause you to feel bad…this essentially might mean you are dehydrated. pH is hard to change quickly, it takes a long time to balance it via proper nutrition and hydration.

    Starving the yeast and replenishing beneficial gut flora with probiotics:
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst1334_From-Able-and-Raster-The-Protocol.aspx

    Pros:
    This is the typical “protocol” that I once used to promote on the forum. This plan is pretty solid in my opinion and has a good success rate with mild to medium cases. For more serious cases, this is a general plan to incorporate into your own plan. Fairly effective way to reduce your symptoms and help stabilize yourself.

    Cons:
    Most probiotics do not contain human micro flora or human derived strains. The antifungals typically damage your liver. Without guidance from a naturopath, you could have other issues that you have not addressed such as thyroid problems, liver issues, adrenal fatigue, co-infections. Another problem is while you get healthy, this may not get you past a certain point in your journey for health and a cure.

    Costs: $$-$$$/month
    Timeline: doesn’t “cure” most people but does get them stabilized…so the timeline is endless.

    Holistic Medicine (naturopathic medicine)
    http://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/what-is-holistic-medicine
    http://www.holisticmedicine.org/content.asp?pl=2&sl=43&contentid=43

    Pros:
    This is an effective way to heal multiple organs all at the same time and to get your health in good order. Often seen as the alternative to western medicine and there have been great success stories using this type of medicine for healing.

    Cons:
    Expense and skill of doctor you go to. Sometimes treatments are not covered by insurance and this could be problematic.

    Other internal cycles and sources can cause your overgrowth and so one single treatment by itself might not be enough and you may have specific causes of your CRC (candida related complex) or illness. For instance, pH by itself can cause you to feel bad…this essentially might mean you are dehydrated. pH is hard to change quickly, it takes a long time to balance it via proper nutrition and hydration.

    Biofilm Protocol:
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst8949_Candida-Albicans-Biofilms.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst8664_Carvacrol-present-in-Oregano-Oil-disrupts-candida-biofilms.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst3698_Biofilms-Possible-protocol-for-a-faster-recovery.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst4638_Biofilm.aspx

    Pros:
    Very effective way to treat candida and to destroy the fence that surrounds it to protect it.

    Cons:
    This is not the only thing in your body that can create a biofilm, microbes, viruses, parasites, etc. all can create their own individual biofilm that will have to be destroyed via specific supplements and/or acids. This also needs to be done in conjunction with some of the other protocols I mentioned in this post for true effectiveness.

    Other internal cycles and sources can cause your overgrowth and so one single treatment by itself might not be enough and you may have specific causes of your CRC (candida related complex) or illness. For instance, pH by itself can cause you to feel bad…this essentially might mean you are dehydrated. pH is hard to change quickly, it takes a long time to balance it via proper nutrition and hydration.

    Costs: varies
    Timeline: varies

    Thyroid/adrenal health and protocol:
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst1752_Thomas–and-those-who-feel-a-low-body-temperature.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst2566_Mercury-and-Hyperthyroidism.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst3407_Candiad-and-auto-immune-disorders.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst2806_Scientific-believe-they-found-what-cause-the-transition-yeast-to-fungus.aspx
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst1803_New-Die-off-Symptom.aspx

    Pros:
    This will greatly aid your immune system if you address it and you will feel a lot better if this is a problem you have. Often overlooked cause and co-factor in your illness.

    Cons:
    Its often hard to diagnose via testing. If you have it bad, then you could have a long and hard recovery. This is also a complex inter-related problem that relates to heavy metals, methylation, adrenal health, etc. and is hard to treat on your own. There also seems to be a variety of opinions on the best iodine to use and treatment plan.

    Costs: $$/month
    Timeline: varies person to person

    Other internal cycles and sources can cause your overgrowth and so one single treatment by itself might not be enough and you may have specific causes of your CRC (candida related complex) or illness. For instance, pH by itself can cause you to feel bad…this essentially might mean you are dehydrated. pH is hard to change quickly, it takes a long time to balance it via proper nutrition and hydration.

    #112065

    Ruffian
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    I like this idea because not one thing works for everyone. It’s definitely a muliti-approach situation…..making our bodies inhospitable for yeast, not feeding it, killing the overgrowth, flushing out toxins, repopulating gut flora, repairing the gut lining, and building our immune systems.

    #113073

    raster
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    I wanted to bump this post today and say that I am still working on this. If anyone else wants to contribute content for this page, let me know and I can include it. I am including more links/threads as time progresses, it takes a long time!

    I am basically creating this post to be one of my last big posts about how to get better from CRC (candida related complex aka candida overgrowth). I have concluded that fighting candida is a very difficult battle and it takes professional help and a large budget. A lot of you are here because you don’t have access to professional help, large budget, or proper resources.

    I once was like that too (and tried the treat yourself route). It didn’t work and it brought me great harm. I have been on this forum ever since soaking up the information and sharing all of the knowledge I have. Taking large doses of antifungals without a detox plan messed me up big time and I want for this to be prevented at all costs in the future for anyone that visits this forum.

    After 2.5 years fighting this I have mostly gotten rid of the bad bad symptoms. I still likely have another 2.5 years to go to reach a cure.

    I am not a candida expert, I just know a lot about it. I feel that if you have to treat this long term, it should be considered a major health problem addressed by a professional. I am not a professional so I feel that my advice could bring potential harm. For this reason, I am going to try to take a step back a little bit on the forum if at all possible. I just want to spend less time on here, and I want to stress to everyone to seek professional advice. I will offer guidance but getting over candida (CRC) is a difficult and potentially long term health problem.

    I will write more in time but I have a lot of thoughts tonight and have to get them off my chest into this post!

    -raster

    #113090

    TheChosenOne
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    Thanks raster for your great advice on this forum. You helped me and a lot of other people so well!
    This is again an excellent post and deserves more attention. I hope you will complete this before you take a break. This should be a sticky post.

    Wish you all the best.

    #113091

    raster
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    One topic takes a lot of time to find/research on the forum but a lot of these topics are dvjorge’s. I threw in a few of my own. I hope to complete this in the next few weeks, but its a busy time of year!

    -raster

    #113094

    impossible
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    Another good one would be to look for and treat co infections of the immunosuppressing type or that would draw a Th2 response. There are many virus’s, bacteria, spirochete that become active during times of immune weakness or different types of inflammatory responses. We all carry some of these. If you have a candida infection, you likely have other infections and just treating one of the bunch might not get you very far. Some of these are pretty crafty at downregulating the Th1 response and evading the immune system. Theres alot of overlapping symptoms, and alot of these bugs are considered to be the lead-in cause of candida infection. Ive been spending alot of time studying this lately, if you want some good links, let me know.

    #113101

    raster
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    I agree with your statement impossible. For instance, my naturopath has determined I have a microbial problem, parasites, etc. I have had mono in the past (virus also called epstein-barr) and so I have a variety of problems going on.

    Please list out some links and maybe do a post on the subject in a similar format that I have done. I can even just link to your post and don’t have to edit in to mine. Either way, I am no expert, I just know the diet is a great first step…but for long term sufferers there is a need to get more aggressive and focused.

    -raster

    #113102

    wol1
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    This is fantastic. Thank you raster and everyone who’s contributed to this (dvjorge etc).

    #113106

    dvjorge
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    This should be added to the sticky posts.

    Jorge.

    #113107

    yisucks
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    Great post raster! So important.

    i agree, I would love to hear more about impossible’s suggestion…it’s a good point.

    #113112

    dvjorge
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    Raster,
    It was a great idea. During my battle against chronic candidiasis, I have had time to be very active posting and reading in every candida forum. I got an obsession to recover and to learn about what was ruining my life.

    It has been a very long journey, and it is true no everybody recovers using the same method, treatment, medicines, diet, and advice.

    I have seen people reporting cure after chelation, enemas, immune stimulation, Rx medicines, natural approach, supporting the adrenals, etc.

    Many times, combining treatments and experimenting result in a real progress and a truly path to be candida free.

    The battle against chronic candidiasis is a real fight where the most important is to discover why candida has flourished and why it doesn’t go away.

    I hope the sufferers find alternatives reading what many of us have done to get better.

    Jorge.

    #113663

    raster
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    Bumping post because I am done!

    Merry xmas everyone!

    -raster

    #119358

    HeatherJ
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    Wow Raster-you are a treasure.

    #119365

    AngelaL
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    raster;51594 wrote: I wanted to bump this post today and say that I am still working on this. If anyone else wants to contribute content for this page, let me know and I can include it. I am including more links/threads as time progresses, it takes a long time!

    I am basically creating this post to be one of my last big posts about how to get better from CRC (candida related complex aka candida overgrowth). I have concluded that fighting candida is a very difficult battle and it takes professional help and a large budget. A lot of you are here because you don’t have access to professional help, large budget, or proper resources.

    I once was like that too (and tried the treat yourself route). It didn’t work and it brought me great harm. I have been on this forum ever since soaking up the information and sharing all of the knowledge I have. Taking large doses of antifungals without a detox plan messed me up big time and I want for this to be prevented at all costs in the future for anyone that visits this forum.

    After 2.5 years fighting this I have mostly gotten rid of the bad bad symptoms. I still likely have another 2.5 years to go to reach a cure.

    I am not a candida expert, I just know a lot about it. I feel that if you have to treat this long term, it should be considered a major health problem addressed by a professional. I am not a professional so I feel that my advice could bring potential harm. For this reason, I am going to try to take a step back a little bit on the forum if at all possible. I just want to spend less time on here, and I want to stress to everyone to seek professional advice. I will offer guidance but getting over candida (CRC) is a difficult and potentially long term health problem.

    I will write more in time but I have a lot of thoughts tonight and have to get them off my chest into this post!

    -raster

    That worries me a little as I’m about to enter the antifungals and probiotics stage of the Lisa Richards plan – postponed by a few days because I’ve already experienced very mild die off from taking probiotics even with the NAC supplement and also because I’m waiting for the antifungals to arrive from the US.

    I didn’t know antifungals could be potentially harmful?

    #119368

    TheChosenOne
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    AngelaL;57886 wrote: That worries me a little as I’m about to enter the antifungals and probiotics stage of the Lisa Richards plan – postponed by a few days because I’ve already experienced very mild die off from taking probiotics even with the NAC supplement and also because I’m waiting for the antifungals to arrive from the US.

    I didn’t know antifungals could be potentially harmful?

    The antifungals itself aren’t, but the die off can be pretty hard. You have to protect your liver in the first few weeks of the diet!

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