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    Cheesey
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    Hi Folks

    So I’m 12 weeks into the website diet now and it has been a bit of a roller-coaster. Severe die-off lasted for a long time. Looking back at it now this is probably because I made so many mistakes and really battered myself into the ground at a very early stage then continued to go hard on myself.

    I’ll give you a low down on my symptoms first. This list is a comparison to week 1 or 2 of the diet rather than to before I started on all of this.

    Symptoms that have almost/entirely disappeared:
    Dizziness
    Any stomach/BM issues
    Panic attacks
    Rashes
    Bad breath
    Jaw tension
    Irritability
    Sinus issues
    Mood swings
    My weight is back to what it was pre-diet (that’s a good thing)

    Symptoms that are still there but diminished:
    Anxiety/’Pure-o’ OCD
    Fatigue
    Muscle weakness/aching
    Brain fog
    Feeling generally ‘weird’
    Frothy urine
    Spaced out feelings
    Restlessness
    Teeth/face pressure (potentially something dental and unrelated)

    This looks like good progress, however, I am still worse than before I started the diet. Fatigue was and is still my main thing to contend with. It is considerably better as compared to, for instance, a month ago when I could hardly make it out the house. However, it’s still persisting and its not clear why. I go on frequent walks but if I go too far I really start to feel wobbly on my legs and my tonsils will swell up. I have now been referred to a CFS specialist that I am seeing later this month.

    I think the tonsil issue is something perhaps independent of the candida and maybe holding me back. For the past 9 months I have had chronic viral tonsillitis that is somewhat unidentifiable to the doctors. I often see correlations between how my throat is and how my other symptoms are doing.

    I’m still not back at work. I went in a couple of times recently for about 4 hours but afterwards I was so exhausted and it would take me more than 24 hours to recover.

    As I mentioned earlier, I am on the website diet (plus green lentils). As some of you may know, I can’t justify to myself, my girlfriend and my family doing the forum diet, moreover my ND thinks it is unnecessary as candida will feed on protein if it has to (her words). I eat a lot of veg and usually have good BMs on average twice a day. I eat red meat once or twice a week (usually lamb). Other than that I eat fish, chicken, duck and eggs. As for carbs, I eat oat bran, quinoa, brown rice, green lentils and millet.

    My current supplements are as follows:

    Morning
    2 x Colostrum
    2 x S. Boulardii
    1 x Ashwaganda
    1 x Now Silymarin
    1 x Now Omega 3
    1 x 10 x 50bn probiotic

    Evening
    2 x Colostrum
    2 x S. Boulardii
    1 x Ashwaganda
    1 x Now Silymarin
    1 x Now Omega 3
    1 x Vitamin D3
    1 x Pint of Kefir

    Finally, I am currently waiting for the results of a adrenal and SIgA saliva test.

    A few questions:

    Can anyone see anything that I might be doing that may require change/have general input?

    They say die-off should last no more than a month but that recovery can take 6-18 months. What are symptoms doing in the meantime?

    What are other people’s experiences of fatigue after about 3 months of the diet?

    #102234

    Monte
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    Wow, with the exception of frothy urine, you’ve posted my EXACT symptoms/issues! I will be curious to see what anyone else says about this… The fatigue is just brutal. I’ve done training at the Mayo Clinic for CFS and Fibromyalgia. Seen Dr’s for a throat issue. Really, I hope others have some explanations/answers for you!

    #102244

    alexalgebra
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    I wonder what would happen if you tried the strict diet for a week or two, just to see if you noticed a difference taking out those extra carbs and sugar?

    #102246

    Cheesey
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    alexalgebra;40747 wrote: I wonder what would happen if you tried the strict diet for a week or two, just to see if you noticed a difference taking out those extra carbs and sugar?

    Like right at the beginning of it? Before meat or anything?

    I currently have the support of my girlfriend and family doing this. If I were to go on the strict forum diet I would lose that support and it would cause undue frictions and stress. Plus I know I would lose weight again. At the moment I am just a tiny bit underweight, but that’s been the case for me for a long time – I would always eat plenty and do lots of exercise. When I first went through die-off, though, I dropped to about 120 pounds which, even for a wiry frame, is hideously slim for a 5′ 10″ male.

    I think the forum diet is just simply untenable for me.

    #102297

    Keya
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    Cheesey;40749 wrote:

    I wonder what would happen if you tried the strict diet for a week or two, just to see if you noticed a difference taking out those extra carbs and sugar?

    Like right at the beginning of it? Before meat or anything?

    I currently have the support of my girlfriend and family doing this. If I were to go on the strict forum diet I would lose that support and it would cause undue frictions and stress. Plus I know I would lose weight again. At the moment I am just a tiny bit underweight, but that’s been the case for me for a long time – I would always eat plenty and do lots of exercise. When I first went through die-off, though, I dropped to about 120 pounds which, even for a wiry frame, is hideously slim for a 5′ 10″ male.

    I think the forum diet is just simply untenable for me.

    You wouldn’t have to eliminate meat all together, just eat it two times a week, and get rid of brown rice, quinoa and millet, but you can replace those by buckwheat, oat bran and coconut flour, and also eat a lot of eggs during the day. It can be doable, but if you don’t have the needed support I can see how it can be hard. As far as for the weight loss goes, I may not be the best example, but I actually gained weight while on the diet, so everything’s possible 😉 Are you taking coconut oil? It’s a great antifungal, so you might try it if you aren’t using it already. I’m 5 months into the diet and also feel fatigued from time to time, sometimes I don’t have the strength to climb the stairs or do my yoga class, but I’m working 8 hours a day, so I suppose my fatigue is ok comparing to yours if you even can’t go to work.

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    Able900
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    Cheesey;40749 wrote: I currently have the support of my girlfriend and family doing this. If I were to go on the strict forum diet I would lose that support and it would cause undue frictions and stress. Plus I know I would lose weight again. At the moment I am just a tiny bit underweight, but that’s been the case for me for a long time – I would always eat plenty and do lots of exercise. When I first went through die-off, though, I dropped to about 120 pounds which, even for a wiry frame, is hideously slim for a 5′ 10″ male.

    Just to be sure all the new members understand you; you are not on the forum diet or protocol, but rather you’re following the website’s diet.

    So it looks like you have two choices; on the one hand, you have the support of your girlfriend/family and keeping your present weight, and the second choice is to suffer indefinitely from a Candida infestation in your body, and you’ve apparently chosen the infestation.

    Considering the fact that, every single day you’re feeding the Candida foods that ensure their survival and foods that are making sure that their environment is in perfect condition for them to multiply, I think you’re doing amazingly well to have eliminated or almost eliminated as many symptoms as you have. You should honestly consider yourself very fortunate instead of wondering why you’re not any better than you are.

    In your shoes, I wouldn’t expect to improve past the point of where you are right now … again, considering the treatment you’re on.

    Able

    #102325

    Cheesey
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    I appreciate you all taking your time to read and respond to my thread.

    As you have drawn my attention to my good progress, I can’t see any evidence in my own circumstance that indicates the strict forum diet and protocol is a necessary addition to my current plan. I might reconsider in the future if, as you say, Able, I plateau and fail to produce further progress. However, at the moment results are continuing to materialise, albeit at a rate slower than I might have liked. Perhaps I need to cultivate greater patience rather than implement a new dietary protocol.

    Keya, thanks for your ideas re: coconut oil. Unfortunately, I’m not certain that making this addition to my diet would be a good idea as I am taking S. Boulardii which is actually a yeast. I wouldn’t want to simultaneously kill the S. Boulardii as I am trying to us it to kill the Candida. I think as well perhaps I am not strictly too ill to be in work, it is just that in the past I would keep pushing and pushing and in the end I would burn out. Both my doctor and the occupational healthcare team recommend that I continue to stay off work. It is a bit of a strange one because I used to try to work through feeling like crap but at the moment I am letting my body guide me and tell me when I need rest, so I’m never really getting to the point of absolute exhaustion. I am incredibly lucky in that the division of the company I work for is actually extremely quiet at the moment and also has extremely good employee care system.

    Again, thank you all for your time and effort in responding.

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