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dvjorge
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Kyle wrote:

Thanks for that link. Ive tried a lot of those before…they do work… but like the yeast, it always comes back.

Maybe when I get this in check I can focus more on that too. I have the femdophilus…I will try using that.

Chronic vaginal candidiasis is linked to immune tolerance to candida albicans.
The intestines holds the biggest amount of candida. It is the candida factory and the place where candida byproducts are absorbed. One of this byproducts cause an immune paralyze against the yeast.
Without immune system, it is impossible to eliminate an infection. Do what you do, it is the immune system the biggest player.
You need to work oriented to recover the immune competence to candida. It needs a protocol that addresses your intestines, toxicity that compromise cell-mediated immunity or any other thing that suppress it. After that, supporting your immune system as much as possible.
It takes time and discipline.
Jorge.

Jorge,
I can see that you are passionate about the recently discussed concept of our immune system becoming desensitised to the Candida which you brought to the forum’s awareness.
However, I still believe that the majority of the immune response which defends against Candida is actually the good bacteria of our gut. I’m not sure how much our own lymphocytes actually do to combat these things, although it is of course worth investigating.
In either case it would appear that greatly reducing the number of candida cells in the intestine for a sustained period of time is essential! 🙂

Interesting things lie ahead.

-Kyle

Kyle,
When I began to learn about chronic candidiasis, I was convinced this syndrome is caused by disturbing the intestinal flora, more when I took long antibiotic rounds that supports my thoughts about the flora.
Later, over time, reading articles, books, and several other things, made me to change the way of thinking about it. I will give you my points. I am open to listening other thoughts as well since I can not be totally sure of what I am telling.
I have no doubt the flora plays an antagonistic role avoiding mucosal colonization by candida albicans , but again, I think it isn’t the main cause of the fungal growth.
In fact, I believe it is the immune system which allows it. Some people will tell me the immune system is supported by the flora. Oh yes, I know all that, and I have read many papers about the flora, the immune system, etc. Let go to the points.
My questions are:
There are many people who have taken and take long antibiotic rounds and never develop candidiass. I have two samples in my own family. One of them took broad spectrum antibiotics for around 6 months and have no complain so far. Perfect digestion and eating normal without symptoms. The other took several times in less than 3 months, and is in perfect health too.
I have also joined antibiotic forums in the past to ask people about candidiasis and digestive problems. I have found that many of them, even taking antibiotics for long periods, are normal.
Excuse me I need to finish this post but don’t have time now. I will give you more arguments. It is a very interesting topic.
Jorge.