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impossible;51963 wrote: Thats a very good article and one of the few that speaks about most of the the issues that need to be focused on. It could be improved on, but its nice to see some doctors are beginning to see the whole picture. After spending some time studying immunology, I would say testing for and addressing ALL infections and immune deficiencies/imbalances right out of the gate is pretty crucial. Im not the only one, either. Using the right tests and knowing how to interpret those based on the results of all the other tests makes all the difference in the world. Trying to put down gut infections with chronic viral/spirochete/mycobacterium infections is like trying to drive up an ice covered mountain, you might make it 1 or 200 feet, but thats about it. And all that is a futile effort if your one of the 25% that cant detox the mycotoxins or are having chronic exposure, so throwing a C3a/C4a test (with TGF-b1 is even better) is also a must. And all that isnt going to make much of difference if a person is having ongoing immune responses to food, though immune therapy can really help alot with that. With the exception of the bad cases, going after hormones might not even be neccesary after addressing that. Interestingly, Dr Cheney’s view is that the body kind of winds down methylation as a protective measure when inflamed, in any case, thats pretty much one of the last things to supplement for anyways. For some reason, almost all these docs leave out dental work. I dont get that at all. So far he’s the only doc (or other person period!) ive ever seen mention using stuff transdermally, thats awesome. I swear I keep my compounding pharmacy in business making me creams. That and the minimal targeted supplementation. I like this guy, he obviously studies alot and he’s a thinker. He gets it. The body keeps all systems in check by intertwining them with all other systems, even emotion and thought figure into that. Its amazing and beyond brilliant when you really get into the nuts and bolts of it. Everything effects everything.

FYI, the gi effects is a good test but its definately not the end all. The better docs are using that in conjunction with other tests, it still misses alot of things alot of the time. Dr Conley is probably the best at finding stuff, a few years ago he was even going as far as using a lab in africa and I believe he’s even improved his success since then. I would be curious to know exactly what he’s doing.

A good example:

One thing that is becoming brutally apparent. If a person gets a yeast overgrowth, they have other health issues. If its anything more than an inconvenience thats somewhat easily treated, they’ve got a serious problem. If its as bad as alot of people on here, especially with alot of the other symptoms and problems their having, then the yeast is probably the least of their worries and yeast treatment/healthy food & supplements should definitely not be looked at as the source of eliminating their woes. I would say this is true over 90% of the time.

I agree with some things about this article and disagree with others.

A chronic intestinal yeast overgrowth isn’t always triggered by the same cause. It is absolutely true the immune system plays a big role allowing it or not, but the antagonistic friendly microbiome also plays a role.

We need to recognize the fact that a severe disruption of the friendly flora allows yeast proliferation and germination in the intestines. Yeast metabolites maneuver the immune system to the point they can paralyze cell-mediated immunity. It is the same overgrowth that causes the immune unbalance many times.

The most common scenery is someone who takes antibiotics and develops this syndrome. Yes, it is true no everybody who takes antibiotics develops chronic candidiasis. This is probably linked to the length of the antibiotic course, potency of the antibiotic, condition of the intestinal flora and the immune system.

What happens with candida sufferers is there are many variable and underlying causes. Each person need to figure out and research if any hidden cause is impeding the success of an anticandida protocol. Here is where heavy metals, co-infections, adrenal fatigue,and any immune load should be investigated. Keep in mind, that even a “healthy” person gonna have a battle to eradicate an intestinal yeast overgrowth caused by antibiotics. Candida has many resources to survive anti-yeast medicines and an immune response against it.

Anything that benefits and balance the immune system is a good new for candida sufferers.