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    Hope wrote: 2ndRound – I was just wondering what you’re using to brush your teeth since your thrush is so bad. I had mild thrush as one of my big symptoms, too. One of the things I would do after brushing w/ a stevia sweetened toothpaste was this – I’d slowly eat a tablespoon of extra virgin coconut oil, swishing eat bite around in my mouth until it melted and coated my tongue, cheeks, gums, and front throat. I also was careful to really limit my grains (or go down to no grains) until the thrush was clear, brushing my teeth right away after eating.

    Hope this helps 🙂

    oo, thanks! I think I’ll try all of this!

    For one I’m pretty sure its initial occurance, which I would rate as medium was right after the course of antibiotics I had to take (the pharmacist even commented – they gave you the GOOD stuff) which to me was the exact opposite of good!!! It got worse over time. I stupidly ignored it.

    I used to use aquafresh whitening and then switched to colgate recently just because it was on sale. Today I was going to the drugstore anyway and from other sites I read about ?mentadent? toothpaste with hydrogen peroxide in it. I thought I would give that a try but I’ll look for stevia sweetened. I use the oral B electric toothbrush.


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    Hi BenjiRixon,

    I know before I went on a trip to Europe, to help avoid backtracking my progress my naturopath had me take a Digestive Enzyme. I think her reasoning was to make the food digest easier so as not to tax my digestive system too much. Maybe try to find some info on that?

    Realize it WILL set you back. And a Beer?? Would probably set you back more than other options would. What about vodka and water? Also helps with the hangovers (dehydration) and has way less sugar content than other drinks because of no sugary mix, but you can have a less harmful drink in your system.

    If you’re going to do it at least try to find the least harmful way.

    Welcome to the long term battle of living your live vs living your treatment!

    Hope you’re always one post ahead of me!!! LOL 😉


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    Hi Diane, like the name! I’m Diane too. 😉

    As for your questions:

    1. After I have finished with the cleanse do I go to stage 1 of the diet or is this stage 1?
    2. If so what sort of foods can I eat and for how long do I stay on stage 1 of the diet?
    3. Do I keep taking the psyllium husk and bentonite throughout the whole diet, if not at which stage do I stop?
    4.This is the hardest one for me, I live in the Netherlands and most of the stuff that you mentioned on the forum I will not find here, e.g. Digestive Grape Seed, Bragg Fluid Aminos etc etc, would you advice a good site where I could buy them as well as the rest of the great supplements?
    5. Most important of all, what sort of regime of antifungals, herbal supplements and vitamins do you recommend? How many sorts? how many can one take?

    Since I’m not actually following the exact advice of this site (I just discovered it and this forum yesterday) I can’t really answer questions 1 through 3 for you, except to say for 3 it seems like the intent behind the treatment is to wash away any stuck on residue in your intestinal tract. I’m going to try it myself for a day in the middle of my cleanse just to see if it helps.
    4 – I don’t know of a good website, but I would say go for high quality product first, then shop the site that provides most or all if you can find it. The individual products that my naturopath has recommended for me in the past have been:
    – Joy of the mountains Oil of Oregano: Certified organic locally (british columbia, canada) contains 75 to 85% carvacrol. Possible other local oregano oils will work for you too, but this is the one my naturopath SWEARS by and recommends to others constantly. I swear if it wasn’t for taking this as much as possible in the early stages of pneumonia before I knew what it was, I would have been a LOT sicker and almost certainly in the hospital. It was only when I started feeling better that I had the energy to go see the doctor.

    these are from pictures so the label is fuzzy but…
    – Thorne multivitamins – multi-encap: i think the brand name is thorne research or something. they are pharmaceutical grade.
    – integrative (i think the second word is technologies…) yeast formula. It also says premiere science on the label.

    From the Ayurvedic practitioner I saw:
    He recommended the Candigone kit, which I am currently using in my 2nd round. Worked like a charm the first time, by the 13th day everyone was commenting on why the hell was I hopping around like an energizer bunny, where did all the energy come from? Plus my skin cleared up immensely. Yes, I did change my diet permanently for the better afterwards. But I was still adding bad stuff in coffee, bread, etc, from time to time.
    I’m using it again right now and am in my 10th of 15 days. My skin’s at that wonderful ‘halellujah I finally look somewhat healthy again’ phase. Love it.

    From my own research
    – I also used New roots caprylic acid plus once and liked it, but that wasn’t based on my naturopath’s recommendation. I probably used it too long myself though because I didn’t realize I should have been taking resistance into account as I used it. And it seemed to not work as well for me over time. I’m a little worried that the kit I’m using the second time around now has been made slightly less effective by this, but at least I only took one type of anti-fungal like this! 🙂

    For the regime: If using individual items, I would switch up the antifungals, use a few at a time, and then switch to another two every one or two weeks to avoid resistance. OR look for a good kit that includes them all. I’ve only used the candigone and the yeast balance, but the candigone from renewlife was fabulous for me which is why I’m taking it again. I may switch to yeast balance again if I can find it to try and switch up my therapy, but I think I’ll call their help line first before I do (they have a HELP line!) This kit includes 16 different anti-fungals, so I think it may have some of the ones your looking for already included and may be a cheaper buy.

    Also if you have thrush like me, I’ve been using the oil of oregano drops in my mouth and invested in a simple tongue scraper (best 2$ I ever spent). I have gone from an unbelievably icky pasty white thick covering to one where I almost see pink coming through. The oregano oil in the mouth is INTENSE but you get *somewhat* used to it. If you put it under your tongue its the quickest way to get it into your bloodstream, which is how I habitually take it, but during this cleanse I daily a) scrape my tongue b) apply a drop of oregano oil under my tongue and one on top. Quickly take in just a teeny weeny bit of water and swish all around. c) hold it in my mouth for as long as I can until I-just-cant-take-it-anymore. d) spit and rinse e) floss and brush my teeth. Also good for your immune system.

    I know that its very important to take probiotics however which would you recommend?

    – acidophilus pearls by enzymatic therapy: Come in a blue box. I’ve used this product for years religiously, and when I started their patented “true delivery” technology was why I bought and kept buying this. That and whenever I stopped using it for a couple days, my stomach let me know pretty quick! I don’t know if their patent has run out and become generic now because I see so many other alternatives on the market in Canada now and for much cheaper. This brand is now harder to find for me, but this was the stuff I used because my naturopath explained the coating on it was what made sure the acidopholus cultures actually reached my gut and were effective as opposed to dying the stomach. I think I’m still going to stick with this brand but I’m going to order the IC (intensive care) variation of the standard pearls online. I used to pay 20 CDN for 30 pills but now there are 90 pill boxes on websites for only about 26 or so!!! Awesome!! I WILL take a probiotic for the rest of my life, food just doesn’t have enough of it naturally anymore.

    Hope this helps! good health to you!

    in reply to: How to Stay Motivated #63950

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    One thing that I’ve found that helps for me, is the results I had after my first cleanse. See, I didn’t realize it, but I couldn’t really taste or smell food very well anyway, probably due to an overgrowth of Candida in my mouth. I hit about day 13 of my cleanse (I used a different program, Candigone kit) and then BOOM EVERYTHING I ate started to SURPRISE ME. All of a sudden the herbs I was taking tasted herby to the point where I was like ‘yuck what the…’ and then everything was just so much more delicious!

    So to stay motivated this time I’ve been just reminding myself that cheating on my diet will just make everything not taste as good anyway. The enjoyable cheat you have now will just cut out the everyday wonderful experience of being able to fully taste your food overall. And one of the primary reasons to eat badly is to feel and sense the food anyway right? Nutritional value cheats are not high on the list.

    Also if you’re considering ‘hey how will junk food taste after I properly cleanse then?’ Well, on my first round I rewarded myself with a hunk of cheesecake. Couldn’t resist. OK I’m lying it was TWO slices of cheesecake, one when it hit midnight of my last cleanse day and one for breakfast in the morning. So bad. I know it set me back but I didn’t care. Over the years my diet has gradually changed to be REALLY healthy but had included bad for Candida foods, but doing this second round I’m cutting them out again BUT I’m more lax on things like store bought herbs and non-organics of beans and chickpeas veggies and I’m including some higher sugar veggies (peas and carrots) but in very small quantities so it make day to day on this round easier then the first because of its variety. But I will say, your taste buds end up changing to actually LIKE the healthier foods more. I will still have some potato chips when not cleansing but I try to buy the healthier version, because you’ll be able to taste the cheap additive crap they put into the stuff that goes into the regular brands.

    Finally, there are people out there who say willpower is a myth and there can be some merit to that, so try and remove everything from your kitchen that isn’t part of your cleanse diet to avoid temptation. My first time round I had a specific drawer in my fridge I dumped all the “do not eats” into and didn’t open it until after I was well done the cleanse. This time around I have become such a habitual coffee drinker so when I started I removed the cup that holds the coffee grounds the machine percolates into and stuck it in the back of my cupboard. I use the coffee maker to keep a warm pot of tea handy and ready to drink most of the day and that really helps.

    Best of luck in your changing your diet! 🙂 And don’t be too hard on yourself, our body is made up of more bacteria then most people thing (generally about 10% according to the biology class on http://www.khanacademy.org) and it can and does influence us in ways we don’t fully understand yet. Don’t be too hard on yourself.

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    Maybe see if you can get pharmaceutical grade multivitamins? I noticed quite a difference between usual multivitamins and the pharmaceutical grade ones. You should be able to get them from a naturopath’s office or even online. Can’t remember my brand at the moment though…

    I’ve been trying to find someone on here that has used Glutamine too, something that can be used to repair the gut from leaky gut syndrome, and then, once repaired, the gut absorbs nutrients better. I haven’t yet found a post on anyone who’s used it yet though…

    in reply to: Finally beginning this journey… advice? #63942

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    Since I’m not following the website diet since I just discovered it and this forum tonight, I’ll just offer an opinion and tell you what I did when I did my first cleanse awhile ago, (and my current 2nd). I think I can see how you may want to do the cleanse part first without the herbs to clear your gut up to receive them better, don’t understand the 3 weeks of diet part without the herbs right away. I guess unless you’re really really sick, the initial purge symptoms might be hard to take maybe? But then you could just try taking the herbs at half dosage if its too much at first too…

    I had gone to an Avureydic therapist’s health assessment at a spa and got diagnosed with Candida. He recommended I START with the Candigone kit – which contained the herbs and supplements, etc. That made a HUGE difference for me, I was bouncing off the walls with energy by the end, but felt sick flu-like body aches the first few days.

    What you’ve got are antifungals I don’t know specifics on, but look into rotating the peau darco, hemp hearts and grapefruit extract every week or couple of weeks to avoid resistance if you’re taking it more than a few weeks. Meaning take a maybe two at a time, then a different two, etc.

    I’m not sure what’s in the paragone and the totalpara so I can’t tell you for sure about that. But I can say to take the acilodophus all the way through, since its basically the good bacteria you’re trying to replace the Candida with. I’m not necessarily sure if its something that attacks the Candida at all or if its just something to help restore balance. I’ve been taking some form of probiotic (acidophilus pearls my naturopath’s recommended brand) for over 5 years now, changed my life for the better, will never stop taking it.

    Also, I really really hate to say it, but vision and weight loss problems can be linked to diabetes too. So maybe try a diabetes test? Regardless Candida overgrowth can also lead to blood sugar problems and the doctor would probably put you on a reduced sugar diet anyway so this diet should help you regardless, and maybe even help prevent if you happen to be in the ‘at risk’ category. I have a friend with the rare privilege of being type 1 and type 2 so that’s how I know this.

    Hope this helps, good health!

    in reply to: Can you overdose on herbs? #63941

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    I’m in the opposite camp saying DO rotate them every 2 weeks or so and DO take a few different ones at a time of the medicines. (some website I was on say 4 at a time, but the Candigone kit I’m using basically hits me with 16!) I say this emphatically because I just watched some awesome Biology class videos on http://www.KhanAcademy.org that explained how resistance occurs. “Introduction to Evolution and natural selection” its the first video in the course, though more details below are in later videos.

    Basically the situation is that if you take something say, Caprylic Acid, all the time it tends to kill those candida that are more disposed to being killed by it. Just like you know that really annoying old guy who has perfect health just because they are them, so is there also their biotic counterpart in the society of Candida that the Caprylic Acid just won’t put down. That naturally leaves all of those biota that are LESS disposed to being killed by Caprylic Acid, stay around longer and have a multiplying party, thus, Caprylic Acid becomes less and less effective because the other guys who happen to be more resistant are hanging around and multiplying more. So, that’s why you should switch it up.

    Its also why we are becoming more resistant to antibiotics in the world too. Because a certain strain/specific biota that happened to not be affected by the antibiotic just happened to have the opportunity to multiply more.

    Also re: the multivitamin and fish oil: when my Naturopath had me go on a cleanse diet she made sure I kept up with the multivitamin, an omega 3 capsule, and the acidophilus pearls probiotic.

    The multivitamins because when your gut is inflamed/out of control/etc your intestinal tract isn’t absorbing nutrients as well, so more nutrients is better, especially on a controlled diet.

    The Omega 3 to help lubricate the colon – so should also help the detox and avoid constipation. Not sure if cod liver oil would be a similar thing or not, but I’ve read good things about that brand and I haven’t had any trouble with mine on my diet, though I haven’t been taking it as often as I could.

    She had me take the pearls specifically because it had a patented coating that allowed the probiotic to actually get into the gut better. I’ve had my friends start on that one and after a few days of gassy discomfort they feel leagues better. But you have to keep taking it. It travels well too, doesn’t need refrigeration.

    in reply to: Sex and Candida? #63940

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    Friend of mine who had never had it before said he had gotten it from his girlfriend.

    He said specifically that if the partner exposed to it doesn’t have a healthy immune system, then it can be transferred, and that’s how he got it. He just didn’t happen to be as healthy as he used to be for awhile (he’d been dating her for awhile) and it got transferred.

    in reply to: EGGS – free range vs. organic #63938

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    I know where I live, the best standard in the area from a cruelty free perspective is the regional SPCA standard that they certify farms with. (I’m in Canada, do you have the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in the US?)

    They have the certification details and standard components listed on their website here:
    BC SPCA farm management standard

    In the BCSPCA standard one of their key components is not to feed antibiotics for growth enhancement, however I think individual animals can be fed them if they are sick because another component of this is to keep the animals free from pain, injury or disease. From this I gather the eggs I’m eating MIGHT have been from a chicken fed antibiotics IF that chicken were sick. Way better odds of avoiding the antibiotics, at least, especially since the chicken is allowed to run around and build an actual immune system!

    I also found this Canadian article, which had the following paragraph of US information in it.

    I checked out the Humane Society of the United State’s Brief Guide to Egg Carton Labels and was horrified to discover that USDA-certified “Organic” egg producers allow forced molting—a.k.a. starving the birds—and beak cutting. It seemed that for the US the only label that prohibited these acts was “Animal Welfare Approved.” Not much use to me, however, here in Canada.

    So I guess you have to do your homework between the Humane Society, USDA-certification and maybe others? Good luck!

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