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  • #67279

    piratesauce
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    I’m wondering why not just start taking probiotics at the beginning while cleansing and eating right? instead of waiting till later?

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    Able900
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    piratesauce wrote: I’m wondering why not just start taking probiotics at the beginning while cleansing and eating right? instead of waiting till later?

    It’s your choice to start the treatment with a probiotic if that’s what you want to do, and you certainly have a right to your own opinion and choice. People ask our opinion and we give it to the best of our experience and knowledge, still, the final decision is yours. But if this is your decision, I would researh ‘die-off symptoms’ before starting.

    Able

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    johnny22
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    I had probiotics from the beginning but then I didn’t have much die-off. So if you do decide to give it a try just listen to your body.
    But the forum’s suggestions are probably better as most people get really severe die-off.

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    raster
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    I feel that it’d be best to wait until the first week of the phase 1 diet if possible. I know you are eager to get better; but it won’t really speed up your recovery that much (in my opinion). There are lot of toxins being released on cleanse so it might not be as effective.

    -Raster

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    jasminehks
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    raster wrote: I feel that it’d be best to wait until the first week of the phase 1 diet if possible. I know you are eager to get better; but it won’t really speed up your recovery that much (in my opinion). There are lot of toxins being released on cleanse so it might not be as effective.

    -Raster

    so are you saying that not doing the cleanse and jumping to the diet is not so effective ??
    i’m wondering about that cuz i’m one of those ppl who i KNOW i won’t be able to handle the cleanse :S

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    Lucylu
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    Jasmine… definitely best to do the cleanse first. (Ables one, not the site suggested cleanse) It will do a good clear out of the colon. What is it about it you don’t think you’ll manage? It’s only a week! And Able has recommendations for those who are working full time and need plenty energy.

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    jasminehks
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    Lucylu wrote: Jasmine… definitely best to do the cleanse first. (Ables one, not the site suggested cleanse) It will do a good clear out of the colon. What is it about it you don’t think you’ll manage? It’s only a week! And Able has recommendations for those who are working full time and need plenty energy.

    really?? without the cleanse i felt like i was dying anyway…it took me two weeks on the diet to be able to even walk without feeling like my muscles are falling off, extreme constipation, my period wasn’t happening. and i believe that some people have more tolerance to those cleanses. i know myself i don’t react well to being nauseous…i’ll do anything not to feel that way. and when i eat something repeatedly (it can include even juices) makes me VERY nauseous.

    i was really strict with the diet but now i have some important tests coming up so i am not torturing myself too much just eating healthy for now.

    but i guess it’s really really frustrating when i was told it’s completely okay to do the diet only without the cleanse and i will get the same effect. everyone says different stuff and i feel like i need to find some kind of natural doctor or i will be losing hope in sticking to everything without any program so to speak.

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    Lucylu
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    Jasmine… I totally understand your frustration, most of us felt that way when we started researching this. Every website & “expert” seems to say a different thing.

    Able – perhaps you’ll share your thoughts with Jasmine on this? Maybe Jasmine, it would be worth outlining what you’re eating/ taking each day so Raster & Able can advise? It certainly seems like extreme die off symptoms so they should definitely help you ease that.

    Best of luck with it.

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    Able900
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    Jasmine, the link below is the protocol (or program) that most of the people on the forum have been going by. The majority of the members who follow it closely write that they can feel a difference in several symptoms within one to two weeks.

    The protocol is located on the following link:
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst1334_From-Able-and-Raster-The-Protocol.aspx

    Able

    #67399

    jasminehks
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    Able900 wrote: Jasmine, the link below is the protocol (or program) that most of the people on the forum have been going by. The majority of the members who follow it closely write that they can feel a difference in several symptoms within one to two weeks.

    The protocol is located on the following link:
    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst1334_From-Able-and-Raster-The-Protocol.aspx

    Able

    thanx Able…i must say i’ve read most posts on this Forum more than once ^^
    i’m not sure who it was who told me it was okay to not do the cleanse. which i didn’t, now i’m being told it’s a must.
    i understand there is not much anyone can do here to help each other, beside what they personally have experienced. so there is a huge chance that what worked for others may not even work for me. so i hope i will be able to find a natural doctor who can help me through this with at least some outline of a program.

    because with all these suppliments and anti-fungals..it doesn’t seem so smart in my case to start taking them without being controlled by someone who knows more

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    Able900
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    jasminehks wrote: it doesn’t seem so smart in my case to start taking them without being controlled by someone who knows more

    lol.. ok, so I guess studying at length and using the actual research done with Candida albicans by universities and scientists isn’t important?
    Perhaps you simply prefer to pay a doctor to ‘guess’ at what is wrong with you as well as what may or may not help your infestation. I’m saying this because, if you read the various posts on the forum concerning people who have been visiting doctors for years without a cure, you’ll see that most doctors have no idea about the research that has been or is being done with Candida albicans.

    By the way, you can start the treatment without the cleanse and still cure the infestation, as the protocol I previously linked to points out very clearly.

    Able

    #67412

    jasminehks
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    Able900 wrote:

    it doesn’t seem so smart in my case to start taking them without being controlled by someone who knows more

    lol.. ok, so I guess studying at length and using the actual research done with Candida albicans by universities and scientists isn’t important?
    Perhaps you simply prefer to pay a doctor to ‘guess’ at what is wrong with you as well as what may or may not help your infestation. I’m saying this because, if you read the various posts on the forum concerning people who have been visiting doctors for years without a cure, you’ll see that most doctors have no idea about the research that has been or is being done with Candida albicans.

    By the way, you can start the treatment without the cleanse and still cure the infestation, as the protocol I previously linked to points out very clearly.

    Able

    i’m sorry if my statement was not clear..i didn’t mean “doctors” i meant naturopathic doctors. and if i’m not wrong i’ve read many ppl here saying it has helped them make the process a lot more effective or faster, you just have to find the one who can help you.

    i wasn’t attacking your knowledge or anyone here…i’ve been to maaaany doctors and i know they never found anything wrong with me…if anything my GI told me i was completely healthy and i was going through a “phase”. a week later my Gynecologist told me i have candida and she could see it !!

    so Able…i really do appreciate all the time you spend here helping people but you shouldn’t judge me by one comment cuz if i didn’t care for the info on this forum i wouldn’t even spend time reading the posts. so the fact that i keep commenting is i’m trying to figure out a way to make this work for me.

    so i’m still wondering if you have anything against naturopathic doctors ??

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    Able900
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    Jasmine, thank you for replying, a reply to your comments follows.

    Quote: i’m sorry if my statement was not clear..i didn’t mean “doctors” i meant naturopathic doctors.

    Reply: Yes, Jasmine, I was aware that you were speaking of naturopathic doctors as was I. You mentioned ‘natural doctor’ in your other post.

    Quote: and if i’m not wrong i’ve read many ppl here saying it has helped them make the process a lot more effective or faster, you just have to find the one who can help you.

    Reply: Maybe you could point those ‘many people’ out to me. And if you’ll take the time to compare, you’ll find even more people who experience the same response when they follow a healthy, yeast-destroying protocol without a doctor’s input. You’ll also realize that seeing a naturopathic doctor and paying him or her your money cannot cure the Candida infestation any quicker than following the correct protocol without visiting a naturopath.
    If a doctor (naturopath) builds his protocol around positive research studies and experiments on a Candida albicans infestation, and if that same research is available to us (and it is), why should any of us pay him to read the research for us?
    I guess what I really have in mind are the numerous forum members who complain about the cost of the treatment, and this is without paying a specialist to tell them pretty much the same thing we do, only we usually go into more detail to be truthful. I know that a lot of people are having a difficult time during this economic period, and it bothers me to see them spend their hard earned money on something that can be had for free.

    Quote: I wasn’t attacking your knowledge or anyone here…

    Reply: I know that wasn’t what you were doing, Jasmine, and I’m sorry if I made it sound like I thought that.

    Quote: I really do appreciate all the time you spend here helping people but you shouldn’t judge me by one comment cuz if i didn’t care for the info on this forum i wouldn’t even spend time reading the posts. so the fact that i keep commenting is i’m trying to figure out a way to make this work for me.

    Reply: Thanks for the appreciation, and to be honest, we do this because we want to, it makes us feel good when we read a post that tells us a member is experiencing less symptoms, or someone like Thomas when he told us, “… your advice turned my life around.” This sort of news makes every second we spend on the forum worth it all. By the way, I wasn’t judging you at all, believe it or not that was simply my response to your post.

    Quote: “so i’m still wondering if you have anything against naturopathic doctors?”

    Reply: I only have a problem with the numerous naturopathic or holistic doctors such as the doctor that Mrs. Carly was seeing (and paying).
    Mrs. Carly’s statement was, “I have followed her to the letter, but after 3 weeks I started doing my own research and found that I should NOT be eating potatoes, grapefruit, and other starches – rice, corn…”
    This is a doctor who is practicing under the guise a professional who is supposedly capable of curing a Candida albicans infestation, but in reality doesn’t have a clue as far as how to treat it.
    Do you see my problem with this type of doctor? All they have to do is what any of us can do, read the research journals that most of them are receiving free of charge. Instead, the journals pile up on their desk unread because they’re too busy taking money from their patients to bother with reading research journals.
    I can say this with complete confidence, if you’re following the protocol on the forum to the letter, and it’s not working for you meaning your symptoms are not improving at all, then there is another problem, and I’d like to take the time to review your complete diet and list of supplements. That is unless you feel that we can do nothing else for you; and if that’s the case, we will definitely understand and hold nothing against you for your decision.

    One more thing, Jasmine. If you remember, on October 27 I answered one of you posts with this comment;
    “When you attack at enemy you want to hit their source of survival as quickly as possible, that’s just common sense, everything else such as creams etc. are nothing but skirmishes which will win a battle but not the war, because as long as they still have the source they will continue to survive and rebuild their colonies. I’m talking about ‘getting at the root of the problem’ ….which is in the lower intestines. This can only be done with the Candida diet, antifungals, and probiotics.”

    I repeated that because I’ve read over the posts you wrote the first week you were on the forum, and it seems that you were extremely hesitant about going on and remaining on the diet that we recommend. I’m aware that part of this was due to your IBS problems, but even so, if you are unable to remain on the diet exactly as we describe it, then we can’t expect this protocol to be successful. The same goes for the various antifungals and probiotics including kefir; these are all major components of the protocol and without any one of them, the treatment has a much smaller chance of working.

    Able

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    Able900
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    #67493

    jasminehks
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    Thank you Able for taking the time to respond fully to my comment !! i’m glad there was no misunderstanding there 😀

    and i am completely open to everyone specially your ideas and love to learn from your experience. i was genuinely curious about naturopaths and at least now i know.

    for now i’m taking it slightly easier with the diet since i didn’t have most of the supplements including oils, coconut flour and so on. but once i know i’m equipped enough to start my battle i will do it.
    the intense constipation i was having and it’s still going on was not comforting and i didn’t have most of the things recommended on the forum to treat it…that got me down for a while.
    and the only thing that helped was this chew-able fiber thing i bought at the pharmacy that works like a charm but it has sugar in it. so i realized for now until i find what will help the constipation for me i will have to take it easy with the diet (i added youghurt for now but still avoiding breads and most things i used to eat)

    i am glad that i found this forum…with doing the diet for about 2 weeks very strictly i realized what kind of power our food has on our body. i came from having instant diarrhea to being completely constipated. i wish i could just find a balance between the two.

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