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    Hello

    I’m new to this site. I now know that I have had candida all of my life (I’m 42) which has caused various health issues. From the age of 18 until 23 I was a dental nurse working with amalgam which caused me to have mercury toxicity, which made the candida worse. It wasn’t until I had my son 8 years ago that my symptoms were really severe. It took 4 years to find out about the toxicity and I was under the care of a specialist who also diagnosed candida.

    I now have detoxed the mercury, just the candida left to tackle! I have been on a strict diet (no sugar, fruit, grains) for the past 4 years to keep the candida under control and my specialist put me on Nystatin which was awful so I didn’t take it for long. I have also taken probiotics. However I think Lisa Richards plan is really comprehensive so I started with the cleanse last week – found it quite difficult and was very hungry so I am enjoying the food more this week. However my concern is how sensitive I am, my candida symptoms are really severe this week (I had to sleep for about 3 hours yesterday), awful brain fog, irritable, tearful and so on and I haven’t started the probiotics or the anti-fungals yet. I am thinking of taking a probiotic every other day for 2 weeks, then one antifungal every other day which may help.

    I am taking Candidate, Molybdenum, Vitamin C, drinking lots of water and taking Epsom Salt baths to help with die-off and symptoms.

    Any feedback would be really helpful, thank you.

    #117322

    Vegan Catlady
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    “I now have detoxed the mercury, just the candida left to tackle! I have been on a strict diet (no sugar, fruit, grains) for the past 4 years to keep the candida under control and my specialist put me on Nystatin which was awful so I didn’t take it for long. I have also taken probiotics. “
    Hi Nicky

    this part of your post concerns me.
    If you have detoxed the mercury, your immune system should have kicked-in and resolved the candida within 4 years of a no sugar/fruits/grains.

    Your taking probiotics and not consuming overt sugar, im letting you know there is something else going on.

    Are you sure you have detoxed the mercury?
    If you are SURE, then you have a system that need invigorating.

    You could probably use something to get your kidneys and liver filtering (if they are not filtering, you will see swollen glands and skin issues/rashes/acne).

    Are you eliminating through the bowels 2-3 times a day?

    Are experiencing any fatigue? Low blood pressure? Female issues? this would imply that your endocrine system needs a jump,like the adrenals/thyroid/glands.

    I dont think detoxing the candida with antifungals is going to go very well unless you have channels of elimination open.
    Otherwise that will be a very bumpy ride.

    Hope things go well <3

    #117324

    raster
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    Candida consumes heavy metals like mercury so it very likely still exists in the body. There is no way to remove all of the mercury inside of someone so at the least, there is still some left.

    My recommendation is to focus on detoxing when you do this and to start slow because you don’t want to damage your liver or kidneys with candida toxins.

    -raster

    #117332

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    Vegan Catlady;55843 wrote: If you have detoxed the mercury, your immune system should have kicked-in and resolved the candida within 4 years of a no sugar/fruits/grains.

    This.

    What protocol did you follow for detoxing mercury?

    #117336

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    ThomasJoel2;55853 wrote:

    If you have detoxed the mercury, your immune system should have kicked-in and resolved the candida within 4 years of a no sugar/fruits/grains.

    This.

    What protocol did you follow for detoxing mercury?

    Im equally interested to know what test determines its gone?

    Im asking her/you because I genuinely do not know.

    #117337

    ThomasJoel2
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    Vegan Catlady;55857 wrote:

    If you have detoxed the mercury, your immune system should have kicked-in and resolved the candida within 4 years of a no sugar/fruits/grains.

    This.

    What protocol did you follow for detoxing mercury?

    Im equally interested to know what test determines its gone?

    Im asking her/you because I genuinely do not know.

    The only definitive test is non-response to mercury chelators when taken.

    #117344

    Floggi
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    Chelation is known to be risky. A little boy even died from chelation after his parents were made to believe that “autism doesn’t exist” and that their poor child was “severely poisoned by heavy metals”. In reality, the chelation turned out to be the poison.

    Chelating may remove not only the (mostly imaginary) heavy metals, but also zinc, which is needed in the cells. Removing zinc through chelation incurs mutations in the DNA, which may result in cancer.

    Therefore, chelation must only be used under medical supervision, and only after poisoning has been observed.

    Chelation is risky, cancer-inducing, and sometimes even lethal. It should only be used if the advantages are greater than these disadvantages. In case of a not unequivocally determined, and therefore probably absent, “mercury poisoning”, there are no benefits, but the dangers remain.

    #117360

    ThomasJoel2
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    Floggi;55865 wrote: Chelation is known to be risky. A little boy even died from chelation after his parents were made to believe that “autism doesn’t exist” and that their poor child was “severely poisoned by heavy metals”. In reality, the chelation turned out to be the poison.

    What Floggi is saying here has some truth to it. Indeed, chelation done improperly is risky. IV chelation, in particular, is the most dangerous out of all the poor chelation protocols out there. I have not once recommended IV chelation and am adamantly against its use.

    The goal of any chelation protocol should be to keep the blood levels of the chelators constant in order to minimize redistribution and maximize excretion. IV chelation follows this rule very poorly because it does not keep the blood levels of the chelators constant. In order to keep the blood levels of any chelator constant you must dose it according to its pharmacokinetics, otherwise known as its half-life. This is incredibly important! Unfortunately, lots of alternative practitioners who administer IV chelation therapy are not aware of this concept. Here is what Andrew Cutler has to say on the matter:

    [indent]The chelating agents DMPS and DMSA increase urinary excretion of mercury. For every 2 units of mercury that come out in urine under ordinary conditions, 5 come out in feces. Thus taking enough DMPS to increase the day’s urine level of mercury (250mg IV) actually only doubles the total excretion that day.

    Thus, taking DMPS IV once a month would appear to increase overall mercury excretion about 3%. DMPS IV’s have side effects and can also have dangerous adverse reactions. In addition, they are costly. It hardly seems worthwhile.

    The side effects seem to be from grabbing up a bunch of mercury, stirring it up, and dropping it as the DMPS level goes down. Anecdotally it appears that people who take DMPS by mouth only experience side effects when they STOP taking it. They have to take it every 8-12 hours to have no side effects during therapy. The side effects experienced after oral therapy are quite mild compared to those experienced after parenteral therapy. Intramuscular administration is associated with somewhat greater side effects than is intravenous administration.

    The necessary administration frequency to keep blood concentrations of chelating agent constant within a factor of two can be determined by graphical interpolation from literature reports discussing the pharmacokinetics and metabolism of DMPS, DMSA and lipoic acid. DMPS must be given every 8 hours, DMSA every 4 hours, and lipoic acid every 4 hours. Anecdotally, the exacerbation of side effects by a less frequent administration schedule is less for the lipioc acid than for DMPS or DMSA, but is not negligbile.[/indent]
    Here’s more from Cutler:

    [indent]5 out of 6 people don’t have adverse reactions. The 6th one,
    though… Whoooeee!!!!!! See http://www.dmpsbackfire.com.

    1 in 6 is the same odds as russian roulette. Everyone is really afraid of
    that, too, but 5/6 of the people who play it come out just fine – nothing
    at all bad happens to them.

    The one in 6 incidence of adverse reactions to DMPS injection therapy is what
    some of the physicians who do it (and follow proper protocol) say if asked
    privately, and is confirmed by my polling of patients and making a
    statistical estimate based on that.

    I agree that DMPS does not bring mercury into the system. However, someone
    who is not toxic but does have some mercury lying around, like almost
    everyone in modern society does, could be made toxic by a DMPS injection
    when they were not before. This is apparently what happened to Jana.

    I agree the stuff these people describe is scary. That is what “adverse
    reaction” means. It doesn’t mean side effect. I’ve actually seen a couple
    of adverse reactions that didn’t show up on the dmpsbackfire site. One
    involved a woman who got jaundice from liver damage AND went nuts enough to
    get locked up in the local mental ward for the weekend.

    But realistically, the danger is not the reason to avoid DMPS injections.
    People do scary stuff all the time, and it is often a good idea. The real
    questions are: does the possible reward justify the risk, and is there a
    safer way to get what you want.

    Since DMPS injections aren’t very effective for detox, AND there are much
    more effective means that are also much safer (e. g. the oral DMSA that is so
    popular on the list), DMPS injections don’t seem to be a wise choice.
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    Furthermore, your statement that “chelation was the poison” is incredibly misleading. The chelation merely mobilizes the already present poison in our bodies known as heavy metals. The adverse reactions some experience when following improper chelation protocols merely illustrate the magnitude that heavy metals like mercury can have on one’s health. Chelation done right–when the chelators are dosed according to their half-life, with a several day on, several day off schedule–is a relatively benign process. The benefits far outweigh the risks. Anyone interested in chelation should educate themselves on Andy Cutler’s frequent, low-dose protocol. Here’s a great link to get started: http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/chelation-the-andy-cutler-protocol/

    Floggi;55865 wrote: Chelation is cancer-inducing.

    Mercury is a known carcinogen.

    Heavy Metals, Mercury, and Cancer

    http://drsircus.com/medicine/cancer/heavy-metals-mercury-and-cancer

    Some snippets:

    “According to the observations made by the internationally recognized medical researcher, Yoshiaki Omura, MD, all cancer cells have mercury in them.”

    “It has been shown that mercury rapidly depletes the immune system. Mercury has also been shown to induce auto-immune diseases. Anything that depletes and disturbs the immune system will increase one’s chances of contracting cancer. Mercury binds with hemoglobin, which is responsible for oxygen transport to the tissues. This results in less oxygen reaching the tissues when the body is polluted with mercury. We don’t have to look far in understanding how a heavy metal like mercury can eventually lead one to cancer’s door.”

    “Mercury vapors play havoc on the body through a host of means the least of which is to feed the bacteria, fungi and yeasts that thrive on mercury. Mercury will promote the growth of Candida, though as it adsorbs the mercury it thereby protects the system to a certain extent from its toxicity until they are saturated then they begin to re-release the mercury in organic form.”

    “Candida (yeast) overgrowth, which is very difficult to get rid of, is also associated with mercury in the mouth. Dr. Tullio Simoncini insists cancer is intimately linked to Candida overgrowth and that life threatening tumors are actually fungi colonies sucking up all available nutrients. The general line of thought though is the body produces yeast as a defense against excess metals. The yeast cell binds and absorbs its own weight in mercury and prevents it from entering the blood stream. Dr. J. Trowbridge has written in his book “The Yeast Syndrome,” that some doctors specializing in Candida treatment have reported to him that they have discovered clinically that 98% of their patients with chronic Candida also had mercury toxicity.”

    #117365

    Floggi
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    You seem to be a great fan of Cutler. But Cutler still proclaims the non-existent link between vaccinations and autism. This is unwarranted fear-mongering which puts our children at literally life-threatening risk. His so-called autism link is an Internet meme which has been debunked over and over again by lots of reputable scientists.

    You do not seem to understand chelation. A chelator molecule “catches” a metal ion and stores it inside itself. The idea is that the body is unable to excrete the metal ion itself, but it is able to excrete the chelator molecule. Thus, if a chelator molecule catches a metal ion and stores it inside itself, and then the chelator molecule is excreted by the body, so is the metal ion.

    This means that chelation can only reduce the amount of metal ions circulating in the bloodstream. Therefore, it does not matter whether there’s a constant level of chelator molecules, or a level that goes up and down. The only difference is whether the metal ions are removed at a constant rate, or in batches. Either way, symptoms that are caused by the metal ions will never get worse.

    ThomasJoel2;55881 wrote: The chelation merely mobilizes the already present poison in our bodies known as heavy metals.

    This cannot be true. As I explained above, chelator molecules “catch” metal ions. They do not “mobilize” them. In fact, they do the opposite: they “catch” them, which means they immobilize them.

    You then go on to mention someone called Sircus. Can you point me to any publication supporting his claims, in any reputable magazine?

    ThomasJoel2;55881 wrote: all cancer cells have mercury in them.

    False reasoning. All cancer cells have dihydrogen monoxide in them too. What does that mean, according to you?

    ThomasJoel2;55881 wrote: Mercury binds with hemoglobin

    That would actually be great! You’re really telling us that hemoglobin does the exact same thing as your beloved chelators!

    Hemoglobin lives not that long. After it’s performed its task, it is excreted by the liver. So if you are right, mercury would be excreted from our body on a daily basis! No need for those risky chelation treatments anymore!

    By the way, have you ever made a simple count of the number of mercury atoms in a heavily poisoned person, and the number of hemoglobin molecules in the average person? I tell you that the hemoglobin molecules far, far, far outnumber the mercury atoms. Which means that even if mercury would bind to hemoglobin, all mercury would be bound that way, and still over 99,99% of all hemoglobin molecules would remain unaffected.

    What you are really saying is that hemoglobin would effectively catch all mercury atoms, without the amount of still-functional hemoglobin being affected by any noticeable amount. Great news, really – if it would be true.

    ThomasJoel2;55881 wrote: life threatening tumors are actually fungi colonies sucking up all available nutrients

    This is so far from reality… such a statement can only be made by someone who has never seen a tumor, and who doesn’t know the basics about cancer.

    #117369

    ThomasJoel2
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    Man… it’s almost like you argue about this stuff for a living…

    I want it to be clear that the only reason I argue with Floggi is for you, the readers out there. I’m trying to reach you, not him. The reason I’m posting this on a candida forum is because digestive disorders and autism go hand-in-hand. In addition, the treatments effective in reversing autism are also effective in reversing digestive disorders like candida.

    I pose this question to the readers out there: What seems more likely? Is it that the pharmaceutical industry is telling you the truth regarding the safety of vaccines? The same industry that makes billions off of their sale? That’s not to mention the immense profits they reap from the numerous drugs they then sell you to treat the very conditions caused by the vaccines in the first place–conditions like ADHD, depression, anxiety, IBS, chronic fatigue, etc. Or is it the independent physicians, toxicologists and researchers who are telling you the truth when they claim that the vaccine-autism link is so strong that once presented with the evidence, one would need to be blind to miss it?

    I’m not being paid to espouse my opinion. I’m doing this, frankly, at my own expense. I could be spending my time elsewhere, for my own benefit, but I’m doing this because the prospect of having a profound impact on the health and therefore, quality of life, of others, is too exciting to turn down. The fact that I’m seeing signs from others, both privately and publicly on this forum, that I’m influencing they way that some of you look at chronic illness, is very encouraging for me. I hope I continue to be successful.

    One final note: Floggi, you only inspire me.

    #117388

    Floggi
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    I too am posting for the general reader.

    I strongly object to broadcasting only a single vision, and disallowing all other voices. I support the idea of broadcasting all visions. That is the only way to allow the reader a free choice.

    Anyone who wants to mute all voices except his own is a dictator in the making.

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