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    Katy Gillett
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    Hello Able,

    How have you been? I haven’t had any die off symptoms for the past few days and I feel ready to add another weapon in my battle now. So do you recommend I up my probiotics or start the oregano oil or both? To remind you I’m taking one 50 billion probiotic capsule and 6 teaspoons of coconut oil a day (sometimes 7 or 8).

    Hope you’re well!

    Katy

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    Able900
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    Hi, Katy. All is well here, hope you’re the same.

    I would raise the coconut oil dosage to 10 spoons a day, and add 2 drops of oregano oil a day to the regimen. You can raise the oregano oil a little at a time as you see fit according to your reactions. With this somewhat small increase, we can allow your body to adjust to an increase of dead Candida before we up the probiotic, which I think would be good for the next step.

    Didn’t you mention that surgery was the reason for your move back to the UK? If so, when is that coming up?

    Able

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    Katy Gillett
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    Hi Able,

    Glad to hear it. I am good thanks – settling back into the UK way of life.

    So what is the maximum amount of oregano oil drops I should take?

    Surgery was the plan but the national health system out here is veerryy slow. I’ve had my initial appointment and have my referral now I just need to wait for a specialist appointment and that could take a while unfortunately. But it’s free so I can’t really complain! Thanks for asking. I’m hoping the Bahraini doctors were wrong anyway and there is actually no need for the surgery. Only time will tell :).

    I do have a question for you… I get this almost cold-like feeling in my stomach and around my belly button quite often. It doesn’t seem to matter if I’ve just eaten or anything. Any ideas what this could be?

    Take care.

    Katy

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    Able900
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    Katy, as far as oregano oil is concerned, some people have taken as much as 20 drops a day, however I’m not in favor of that much for more than a few days straight and then backing off on the number of drops. Personally, I wouldn’t take more than 16 drops a day for more than a few days at a time. It wouldn’t be a bad idea for everyone who takes more than a few drops a day to be aware of overdose effects such as a tingling feeling inside the mouth, a rash or vomiting. These can also be signs of an adverse reaction to the oil. However many drops you end up taking, you’ll need to work up to it a drop or two at a time, waiting a few days at the very least before increasing the current dose. Oregano oil has been known to cause bad die-off reactions.

    I’m afraid I have to say that I’ve never heard or studied anything concerning the ‘cold feeling’ you described, but I’ll do some research and see what I can find.

    Able

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    Katy Gillett
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    Thanks Able. I added 2 drops of oregano oil and took 8 teaspoons of coconut oil but will make that 10 in the next day or so.

    I’ve got a couple more questions for you. Is it fine for me to take 2 drops of molydenum a day as well? I’m still getting symptoms all over the place and I was hoping this could tell me which ones are die off symptoms as they hopefully disappear.

    Also – is low blood pressure a side effect of Candida or die off? I’ve become convinced that a few of my symptoms are due to my low blood pressure.. although its not terribly low it is ‘on the low side of normal’ according to my GP. But what I don’t get is why my lightheadedness, dizziness and tiredness can be so pronounced if its only on the low side of normal. It also comes and goes (been worse the past 2 days which is why I bring it up again).

    (Could a vitamin B12 deficiency be causing this? Or any of the vitamin Bs for that matter as I don’t take any.)

    Anyway what I wanted to know is whether you think this has anything to do with the Candida/die off symptoms or if this is something else entirely. They’ve got me going to the cardiologist soon but I don’t particularly want to go down that route, taking any medications they may give me, if it could be cured by the steps i’m taking to eliminate candida. I realise you’re not a doctor and may not want to commit to anything – I’m just looking for some advice.

    Also I was under the impression that lower blood pressure and a slower heart rate (mine is again on the ‘low side of normal’) were good things!

    I appreciate you looking into the cold feeling – its pretty weird and really does just feel like a blast of ice in my stomach. I even sometimes feel it in my arms..?! Where do you usually do your research? Books, internet? I’ve tried as much as I can but I’m afraid I don’t understand most of the medical jargon… need my research in layman’s terms!

    Best wishes, Katy

    #64825

    Able900
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    Hi, Katy.

    Yes you can definitely take two drops of the Molybdenum a day.

    Low blood pressure can be a die-off symptom, but so is an ‘elevated’ heart rate instead of a lowered one. But then again, a low pulse can be attributed to regular exercise, which if I remember correctly, you once were doing.

    A low blood pressure can be caused by several things of course, and a lot of time it’s simply hereditary. But since you have Candida, you are almost certain to have a lowered immune system, and a lowered immune system is nearly always accompanied by chronic fatigue syndrome. To take it further, low blood pressure is a normal symptom of chronic fatigue syndrome. This could explain your tiredness as well as the low blood pressure.

    According to some research that I remember reading; B12 has been used to raise low blood pressure, so it being a cause makes sense. In a way it also makes sense that you could be deficient in B12 because the foods that are abundant in this vitamin are eggs, fish, meat, poultry, milk, and milk products, all of which I believe you’re having rather limited amounts of?

    The problem is, if you’re deficient in B12, you’re likely to be deficient in other B vitamins as well, so taking only a B12 supplement may not be the wisest thing to do. Do doctors test for particular vitamin deficiencies in the UK. If so, it would be great if you could have this done.

    It would also be nice if you could eat poultry, fish and eggs on a daily basis. By the way, a serving of Greek yogurt contains about 10% of the MDR of B12. Of course the probiotic is going to create all of the B vitamins for your system as well.

    Katy, the only connection I can find between Candida and the cold feeling in your stomach is if GERD (gastro-esophageal reflux disease) is present along with the Candida, which is quite common. It seems that sometimes the cold sensation can be felt by some people with GERD. The supplements you’re taking plus the diet are all working towards curing GERD along with the Candida. I can’t remember, do you use Grape Bitters after every meal? This is important for GERD problems.

    You asked, “Where do you usually do your research? Books, internet?”

    All of the above as they say, plus a few more. If I use the internet, I only use Google Scholar where I can pull up the journal articles by researchers and specialists or the actual research reports.

    Able

    #64829

    Katy Gillett
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    Thanks again Able.

    I’ll try taking 2 drops of the molybdenum them. GERD certainly makes sense as I have been diagnosed with it in the past but haven’t had the usual symptoms recently. I did have a feeling that your advice would head in the direction of the Grape Bitters for this :). I’m learning! I ordered it as soon as I got back but unfortunately it has still not arrived. As soon as I get it though I will be taking it after every meal.

    I am trying to do as much exercise as possible.. this tends to be half an hour every day if I can manage it.. but some days I’ll take a day off or just do something light like yoga. I don’t allow myself to give into the tiredness much as if I do I end up feeling worse. Unfortunately even though I exercise everyday my muscles don’t seem to be able to get used to it and I’m often sore… but I know sore muscles can be to do with candida and even cfs so I guess that makes sense too!

    Actually I have started to eat eggs, fish and poultry quite regularly since being on the candida diet. Eggs I use a lot of in the breads and recently ‘muffins’ I make and occasionally I’ll have 2 scrambled for breakfast. Fish I try to have just 2 meals a week of and I eat chicken quite often for dinner or in my salad for lunch. Though I do try to have 2 veggie days a week, which will include a meal of green or brown lentils. Also Greek yoghurt I have a few times a day but no other milk products. I don’t eat red meat though – would this be beneficial?

    I’m going to look into tests for vitamin deficiencies.. I could probably find a nutritionist/naturopath around that does this so thanks for the tip. Getting some concrete answers rather than playing my own guessing games would be a lot better I’m sure! I was told I had a b12 and folic acid deficiency a while back so I took pills for a while. Now I just take folic acid as I can’t find a B complex that doesn’t have wildly differing percentages in.. or sweeteners. Seriously now – what is the point in putting the sweeteners in those vitamins!? No one tastes them!!

    As this is the case – should I take them all individually perhaps or just carry on trying to absorb them naturally?

    #64830

    Able900
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    Hi, Katy. Since you’ve added all the foods you named to your diet, I would depend on them and the probiotic for the B vitamins. As I stated earlier, the probiotic will more than likely be able to make ample amounts of the B vitamins eventually, provided you are not genetically inclined to be deficient in any of the B vitamins.

    You asked about adding red meat to your diet, I would definitely stay away from that – indefinitely. Eating the fish and/or chicken at least once a day along with several eggs a day, preferably all organic of course, should hopefully be enough along with the probiotic, and vegetables have the B vitamins as well.

    Able

    #64841

    Katy Gillett
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    Hi Able. I don’t believe anyone in the family has problems with B vitamins. No one has the problems I do anyway. No one I’ve met does either! Apart from on this forum of course. Frustrating!

    So I should stop the veggie days? I’ve got to say its been weird going from being a vegetarian to eating meat as much as I do. Good news on the red meat as I didn’t intend on introducing that back into my diet. Though I am a bit confused on one part. I understand how eat fish and/or chicken once a day would be good for the B vitamins but wouldn’t that be bad in terms of the ammonia we talked about? And shouldn’t I keep the fish down to about 2 or 3 meals a week because of mercury content?

    Also while I can happily consume the eggs via my bread and muffins I cannot stomach too many so I can only actually eat them every couple of days otherwise I get sick. I can handle scrambled eggs quite well but for some reason a hardboiled egg really does get me.

    I’m having a bad day again in terms of low blood pressure and emotions actually. I haven’t felt this irritable and down in a while. I’m hoping this has something to do with die off?! Although I did increase my dosage of molybdenum to 2 drops. Do you think I should look into getting the Candidate?

    Best wishes, Katy

    #64842

    Katy Gillett
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    Also… is adrenal fatigue a symptom?

    #64843

    Able900
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    Katy Gillett wrote: Also… is adrenal fatigue a symptom?

    Hello, Katy.

    Adrenal fatigue can be a symptom of Candida, although it usually comes before the Candida infestation – but not always.

    Beef, fowl, and fish contain more B12 and B vitamins in general than plants simple because animals have the ability to store B12 whereas plants do not, and plants really depend on the quality of the soil in which they grow for their vitamin and mineral source. This is why I suggested a few more fish, foul, and eggs if you wanted to add to the B vitamins in your system. You understand that the fact that you were a vegetarian before could be part of the reason that you are possibly a little deficient in B vitamins, especially if you weren’t taking any type of probiotic during that period.

    Concerning the ammonia being created by eating meat; yes, you’re right about that, but I’m hoping that the Molybdenum will handle the problem.
    As far as mercury in fish is concerned, if you’ll concentrate on eating young fish, such as herring and pilchards (normally called sardines), you won’t have to worry about mercury as much if at all since they’re far too young to have obtained much of a mercury content in their short lifetime.

    The Candidate certainly wouldn’t hurt, as it could definitely be used for days like today when you need ‘immediate’ relief.

    Have a great weekend. I’m heading to the lake, of course.

    Able

    #64844

    raster
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    Adrenal fatigue is a major symptom. A product that can really help is called drenamin. You won’t be able to feel energetic again until your adrenal glands are recharged; you can do this through more exercise, reducing or eliminating coffee/caffeine, etc. Also, rest is by far the most important thing you need to recover from candida!

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