- July 19, 2011 at 3:26 am #64187
I have looked over this forum and haven’t found anyone saying they have they symptoms of recurrent vomiting with this infection. Every 2 1/2 mos. my son comes down with flu-like symptoms with extreme vomiting for a week. This happened in October, January, March and June. Like clockwork. Each time, he is prescribed antibiotics, has bloodwork done and is diagnosed with a bacterial infection in his blood. He had a stool sample done on the 2nd episode and was diagnosed with yeast in his stool. The doctor is stumped and is now trying to get him to go to a gastro specialist for perhaps a colonoscopy. He has no insurance and does not want to incur the costs of this procedure. I am convinced after reading everything on here that he has this disease of candidiasis. But again, what keeps stumping me is the vomiting every 2 mos. Could it be the die off? Each time after being prescribed the antibiotics he takes probiotics and eats cultured yogurt.
ShirleyJuly 19, 2011 at 7:56 am #64194
Hello, and welcome to the forum.
First off, there are at least 25 different diseases related to a bacterial infection in the blood, so I would definitely keep seeing a physician for that, and of course it’s possible that the vomiting is stemming from the bacterial infection, especially since, according to the way your post reads, it appears that the vomiting stops after antibiotics are prescribed.
As far as Candida is concerned, normally vomiting isn’t associated with die-off symptoms although some people do experience diarrhea as a symptom. If the vomiting is associated with die-off I imagine it would have to be at its extreme which means there would be other significant symptoms such as dizziness, disorientation, and possibly fainting when trying to stand.
Of course, even with the above being said, high doses of probiotics can cause die-off symptoms, so for that reason you can’t completely rule out die-off being the cause. What is his probiotic count and the strain count?
You stated that he takes the probiotic ‘after’ he’s prescribed the antibiotic, so I gather he isn’t taking them all the time which I would be doing, especially since he doesn’t know whether or not he’s going to be required to go back on the antibiotics.
Are there any other Candida symptoms?
Hopefully I can offer more information after you answer the questions.
AbleJuly 19, 2011 at 8:36 am #64196
The doctor told my son it was a yeast infection in the blood. Each time he has the bloodwork it says the same thing. The stool sample (which was collected to check for giardia) showed nothing except for the yeast. Vomiting stops after antibiotics are taken for several days. After he uses the antibiotics all up, doctor prescribed this time prescription Florastor (not sure of the dosage or count) and active culture yogurt. Although he feels better after the episode is over, he still feels groggy feeling, or as he puts it “something lurking in the background.” And he also has lack of energy, can get agitated easily, and he does seem to have his share of digestive problems like bloating or gas or sometimes feeling nausea after eating. If there is something I need to look out for, please tell me and I can check with him. He does not eat a lot of sugary items but he does eat bread for a sandwich. Any advice is welcomed.July 19, 2011 at 11:36 am #64205
Arabigal wrote: Able900:
The doctor told my son it was a yeast infection in the blood.
Ok, I see. What threw me off was your statement in the first post that he was, “diagnosed with a bacterial infection in his blood.” Candida is not a bacterial infection, but rather a fungal infestation. So knowing that it isn’t a bacterial infection in addition to Candida makes a huge difference. However, now I can’t understand why he was given an antibiotic. Even doctors should know that an antibiotic cannot kill Candida. So actually now I’m confused, and the fact that the vomiting stops after taking an antibiotic sounds like a bacterial infection.
Do you know the name of the antibiotic?
His probiotic, Florastor, contains a significant dosage of one probiotic, in other words, it contains just one strain of probiotic out of possibly dozens. Research has shown that patients receive better results when multiple strains are given, so he may want to ask his doctor why he recommended just one strain instead of a probiotic with multiple strains. I’m sure he’ll have a good answer because he’ll want to justify his advice. Florastor also contains lactose monohydrate which is potentially a food for the Candida.
If all of his trouble is stemming from a Candida infestation, then he definitely needs to be on the Candida diet, stage one. For at least several weeks he could try cutting out bread and all wheat products, all diary (eggs are not considered dairy), all sugar products, all canned foods (either frozen or fresh is fine), fruit, and any simple carbohydrates he may be having now.
Have him to check his toothpaste for sugar alcohols which feed Candida. Also, most table salts contain Dextrose which is glucose, which of course is a sugar capable of feeding the Candida. Pure sea salt, such as Celtic or Himalayan, is the purest form of salt with many life-sustaining minerals still intact, and they do not contain added ingredients.
If he does all of the above, he’ll probably experience more die-off symptoms, and there are products which can greatly reduce the symptoms of die-off. Molybdenum and Candidate from Native Remedies are two of the best.
AbleJuly 20, 2011 at 10:56 am #64217
The monster is happening again. It has only been 2 weeks since my son had his last episode and he called me scared to death thinking it is starting again. Symptoms: gassy, bloating, burping, aching back and joints, diarrhea, shivering cold even though it is 100 degrees outside, and nauseaous. Called the doctor and he is prescribing antibiotics AGAIN and told him to keep taking the Florastor. Wants to see him again on Friday. After reading all the symptoms on this website, sure sounds like candida but again, the real klinker is the vomiting. Seems like no one experiences this type of vomiting. I am tempted to tell him to just go to the hospital. This doctor doesn’t have any idea what is wrong with him. In fact, he told him perhaps he needs to see a gastro specialist. Then he says…”you may need a colonoscopy.” Great, let’s just keep running up doctor bills and see where this leads us. I am frustrated to no end and I just wish there was someone who could say….you have such and such. Should we persue the idea that it is candida or do you think we are headed in the wrong direction? Y’all know more about these signs and symptoms more than I do. Thanks for listening.
P.S. I am certain the doctor hasn’t thought of candida. He tells me…bacterial infection. Would a bacterial infection have the same symptoms as a fungal infection?July 20, 2011 at 1:33 pm #64219
Arabigal wrote: P.S. I am certain the doctor hasn’t thought of candida. He tells me…bacterial infection. Would a bacterial infection have the same symptoms as a fungal infection?
I’m afraid that your previous posts coupled with this last one is too confusing to offer any substantial information. For example, in the previous post you wrote:
“The doctor told my son it was a yeast infection in the blood.” What you’re talking about is a Candida infestation in his blood.
But in this last post you wrote, “I am certain the doctor hasn’t thought of candida. He tells me…bacterial infection.”
Do you see how confusing that is?
Has your son been running a fever?
If he has a bacterial infection the antibiotics make sense, however, if he doesn’t there is no logical reason for the doctor to prescribe the antibiotic, so I’m assuming that, regardless of what you wrote about yeast in the previous post, the doctor is certain he has a bacterial infection.
That being said, he can still have Candida, especially since he’s been on the antibiotics off and on for so long.
Did you read my last post? If you’ll read it, you will see what I suggested.
AbleJuly 21, 2011 at 4:08 am #64224
After speaking with my son, when the doctor ran bloodwork he said bacterial infection yet the stool sample showed high levels of yeast. No fever involved just sweating and shaking to the point sheets have to be changed. I have been doing some research since one of your previous posts and agree that the Florastor seems to only treat one strain. Perhaps something with multiple strain probiotic would be better. How about Critical Colon by Renew Life or Candidase? I also saw something called Symbion Probiotics. Anyone had any experience with any of this? Can the candida penetrate the intestine causing leaky gut which could be causing the bacterial infection? I wish there was a doctor nearby with experience in this kind of stuff.
As you can see, I don’t know whether to send him to a gastro specialist in case it might be something organ related or continue on the path of learning about this candida overthrow. I am leaning toward the latter since my son does not want to be a human guinea pig for the doctors.
All advice is appreciated.
Shirley SuchdolskiJuly 21, 2011 at 5:30 am #64226
If I were you I would get him started Critical Colon Probiotics by Renew Life 80 billion count. This is the product I used to cure Candida. One a day for about ten days, then go to two a day morning and night on an empty stomach.July 21, 2011 at 5:37 am #64227
You are awesome! I apologize for asking such stupid questions but this is all new to me. Since last year I have been researching the effects of herbs as a medicinal help mate for the body. At times, I feel like information overload and then this health issue with my son is just flooring. It wouldn’t be probably as worrisome except that my son’s father died a few years ago at the age of 52 with the initial diagnosis of esophageal/stomach cancer and cause of death was a massive stroke. So I am a bit paranoid when it comes to digestive issues.
Thanks again to everyone for their advice. Okay, next stupid question….does this mean that my son is going to have to go on a special diet for the rest of his life eating no sugar of any kind in any form such as bread, etc.? Sounds like a death sentence! 🙂
P.S. Antibiotic the doc has him on AGAIN is Cipro. This makes 5 rounds of antibiotics in 9 months.
ShirleyJuly 21, 2011 at 3:58 pm #64231
So it looks like all the doctor is saying is that it’s a “bacterial infection” … nothing else? Both you and your sone have the right to ask as well as to know anything you wish to know about his case. I would ask him exactly what type of bacterial infection your son has and further, I’d ask him why the antibiotics appear to be unable to wipe it out, meaning he has to keep starting them again.
You said that your son is on Cipro. Some antibiotics which are penicillin derivatives seem to cause more yeast infections or Candida than others do. Cipro is one of these, so it’s understandable that your son has Candida.
As far as how long your son will need to remain fully on the diet is impossible to know because a lot of things depend on that.
How long do you suspect that he’s had Candida? In your posts, it sounds like you think it’s possible that he doesn’t have a bacterial infection, but that all of his problems stem from Candida, or is that not the case?
As far as a reason for the vomiting is concerned, in rare cases of Candida the infestation can affect the esophagus. When this happens both nausea and vomiting can occur. In addition, often the patient will notice a slight burning or pain behind the breast bone where the esophagus is. He also may experience, to a small or larger degree, a slight problem with swallowing. Streaks of blood in the vomit are also a sign of Candida in the esophagus, and people with this type of Candida often will have bad breath and a white coating on the tongue.
I would think that the fact that he has not run a fever at all is good news. Usually a person will run a fever with a bacterial infection, plus, if Candida in the esophagus spreads beyond the esophagus into the blood stream there is normally a fever.
As far as vomiting being a symptom of Candida, it isn’t that normal, but it’s not impossible. People with Candida are normally low in beneficial bacteria, and a large deficiency of one particular bacterium can cause vomiting. Ironically, this same bacterium is also very beneficial to getting rid of Candida. The one I’m speaking of is Bifobacterium Bifidium. The reason for the vomiting in this case is because the deficiency causes higher levels of ammonia in the body than normal. If you have a reason to think this is his problem, the essential trace mineral, Molybdenum can help.
An environmental illness by the name of bacterial dysbiosis is believed to be caused by a lack of flora (beneficial bacteria in the intestines). The reason for this is that the flora has the ability to keep pathogens and fungi under control, so a lack of flora in general can cause both bacterial infections as well as fungal Candida. Considering that it’s possible he has both Candida and a bacterial infection, this could possibly be his problem — possibly. Everything is a guess at this point; as you’ve seen with the doctor.
The way I would treat this would be to start him immediately on the Critical Colon Probiotics by Renew Life 80 billion, always on an empty stomach.
I would also either purchase goat or water kefir – or make my own.
After adding the other two, I would start eating Oikos Organic Greek Yogurt. Some health food stores sell this as well as Walmart.
I would stagger the start of each of these because of the big chance of debilitating die-off symptoms happening, putting at least one week between the start each.
As soon as he can after starting the above treatments, he should be taking some form of prebiotics, which are foods that will feed the beneficial flora that he’s creating with the probiotics. He can do this with vegetables, especially asparagus, Jerusalem artichoke, also garlic, leeks, onions, and oat bran – not some type of “oat bran cereal” but pure oat bran.
Flora-feeding herbs are: Dandelion root, burdock root, chicory root, and elecampane root.
As far as antifungal supplements are concerned, I wouldn’t worry about these for a while as the products above are going to be enough for several weeks and will likely produce some die-off. I would definitely purchase both the Molybdenum and the Candidate from Native Remedies before starting all of this, or if not both, at least one of them.
Of course, if I were him, I’d stay on the diet as closely as possible.
AbleJuly 22, 2011 at 7:34 am #64242
Okay, son went to the doctor prepared with questions as to why this keeps happening. The doctor said that what he has had in the past is definitely a bacterial infection. Reason? His white blood cell count is through the roof. Thus, the prescription of antibiotics. Also, when asked what type of bacterial infection he said he did not know and that is why he wants him to go see a gastro specialist. My son asked him about candida. He says candida is a fungal infection and being that the antibiotic makes him feel better, then he doesn’t suspect candida. However, judging by our posts back and forth, isn’t it possible that he has candida and also the bacterial infection? After all, he has all the symptoms of candida. My son asked me why his Florastor hasn’t gotten rid of the candida and I told him that if it is a one strain probiotic that it may not be knocking out the candida if it is a different strain. Correct?
So, next thing for him to do…go see a g.i. doctor. BUT I have also overnighted him the Critical Colon 80 billion that I purchased yesterday for him and also something called CandiGone which the health place here sold me. I see no reason why he can’t take the Critical Colon in conjunction with the Cipro, can you?
Even the doctor admitted being stumped and he said because the symptoms are reappearing in 2 wks instead of the usual 4 wks has him worried. So I guess a colonoscopy will be in my son’s future.
This is so aggravating that he can’t do bloodwork to find out what kind of bacterial infection. You would think there would be a test that can do this rather than sticking something up someone’s butt to find out!
ShirleyJuly 22, 2011 at 10:24 am #64246
If your son’s white blood cell count is “through the roof” I can see why his doctor wants to know why. There are many reasons that a person’s white blood cell count, also called leukocytosis, goes higher than normal. One we hear of most often is infection, but the count can also be raised by antibiotics oddly enough. In addition, emotional stress can do the same, as can certain medications and many different illnesses. Unfortunately, the treatment usually depends on the cause, which of course means more tests.
One thing he should mention to his doctor is that an elevated white blood cell count can also result from a type of Candida called Fungemia Candida. Other possible symptoms are fatigue, flu like symptoms, fever, itching, pain, sweating, muscle fatigue, edema, sleeping problems, elevated heart rate, and chills. The term ‘Fungemia’ means there is the presence of fungus or yeast in the blood. The three most used medications for this form of Candida are amphotericin B, itraconazole, and fluconazole. Amphotericin B is probably the most likely to work but has definite side effects which may be too difficult to handle for somewhat weak patients. Of course I’m not trying to say that this is your son’s problem at all, only that an elevated white blood count is a symptom, and since you’re sure he has Candida it came to mind.
The one-strain probiotic he’s taking isn’t knocking out the Candida because it’s only one strain out of many, not because it’s a ‘different’ strain.
Personally, I don’t see a problem with taking the Critical Colon Probiotic along with the Cipro, but to be certain, he could ask his doctor since he is under his care at this time.
AbleJuly 24, 2011 at 12:37 am #64271
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Ok this might sound totally random and you can ignore it if it sounds like rubbish. My feelings won’t be hurt. Has the GI specialist thought about your son’s gallbladder? It could be two different problems which is what happened to me. I know he is young for gallbladder problems, but you never know. When mine was failing, I had times of relief and then relapse. Its just an idea. . . feel free to shoot it down:)July 24, 2011 at 4:44 am #64277
Good morning, Able:
Shoot it down? Why would I do that? Any ideas are appreciated. So far my son has only been to see the local general practitioner. When he went the other day, the doctor seemed to shoot down the theory of candida (says it is fungal not bacterial) and that what my son has been experiencing is a bacterial infection thus the loads of antibiotics. For some reason, even though he has been doing the bloodwork which shows white blood count levels through the roof, he can’t tell us what type. So he is sending my son to a gastro specialist and he has an appointment this Thursday. Can’t wait to see what he will tell us! Nor can I wait to see the bill! NOT! The local doctor told my son they will probably want to do a colonoscopy. $1500 if we pay up front.
If it is his gallbladder, a colonoscopy won’t tell us crap! Right? Either way, in an abundance of precaution, I told my son to start taking the Critical Colon 80 billion that I sent him. I figure it wouldn’t hurt, right? As far as I am concerned, all the symptoms of candida are there except perhaps the vomiting but I will tell you, my son has a very sensitive stomach so it wouldn’t take a whole lot to set him off.
I will keep you posted as to the results. Thanks for all your advice. It has truly been appreciated.
ShirleyJuly 24, 2011 at 7:08 am #64278
Good morning, Shirley.
Even though you addressed your post to me, I think you were replying to iuperi. If you notice the name, I didn’t post the remarks about the gallbladder being the problem.
As far as his doctor claiming that it can’t be Candida because he’s sure it’s bacterial, it can actually be both, don’t know why he didn’t think of that. In addition, it’s not all that unusual for people who have Candida to also have a low WBC count, although, which came before the other may make a nice debate.
I hope all turns out well with the colonoscopy.
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