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    Able900
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    Product Sources – Europe

    For the European members, finding products is often more difficult than it is for Americans. iHerb is a website which ships all over the world. Some of the links are from Amazon.co.uk as well.

    iHerb’s shipping information:
    http://www.iherb.com/info/shipping/International

    Below are a few supplements that iHerb carries. If you wish to place an order, you may wish to look through the supplements in order to meet their minimum order amount for overseas shipments which is 80 American dollars, but their DHL rates are between 80 to 92% off published rates.

    Molybdenum Amino Acid Chelate
    http://www.iherb.com/Douglas-Laboratories-Molybdenum-100-Tablets/37174?at=0

    Swedish Bitters
    http://www.iherb.com/Flora-Swedish-Bitters-8-5-fl-oz-250-ml/3063?at=0

    Betaine Hydrochloride HCL (for bloating & indigestion)
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Ddrugstore&field-keywords=Betaine+HCL&x=13&y=18

    Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc
    http://www.iherb.com/Solgar-Calcium-Magnesium-Plus-Zinc-250-Tablets/8693?at=0

    Vitamins A & D
    http://www.iherb.com/Country-Life-Gluten-Free-Natural-Vitamin-A-D3-10-000-I-U-400-I-U-100-Softgels/10143?at=0

    D3
    http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Vitamin-D-3-5-000-IU-120-Softgels/10421?at=0

    Vitamin E
    http://www.iherb.com/Natural-Factors-E-400-IU-Clear-Base-60-Softgels/2565?at=0

    Ashwagandha
    http://www.iherb.com/Himalaya-Herbal-Healthcare-Ashwagandha-60-Caplets/3691?at=0
    or
    (Amazon)
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_11?url=search-alias%3Ddrugstore&field-keywords=ashwagandha+capsules&sprefix=ashwagandha%2Cdrugstore%2C459

    Minerals
    http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Colloida-Life-Trace-Minerals-4-fl-oz-118-28-ml/1062?at=0

    Milk Thistle
    http://www.iherb.com/Natural-Factors-Liv-Gall-Cleanse-Formula-90-Capsules/2587?at=0

    Probiotics
    http://www.iherb.com/MegaFood-DailyFoods-MegaFlora-Plus-Therapeutic-Probiotic-30-Capsules-Ice/16649?at=0

    http://www.iherb.com/Renew-Life-Ultimate-Flora-Critical-Colon-Bifido-Max-80-Billion-30-Veggie-Caps/27551?at=0

    http://www.iherb.com/Renew-Life-Ultimate-Flora-Critical-Care-50-Billion-60-Veggie-Caps/22252?at=0

    IMPORTANT: If you order a probiotic, be sure to request that the product is packed in ice before shipping.

    #74298

    WilliamHolst
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    Thanks able that was very helpful, even for people in the usa.

    #74342

    Lucylu
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    Thanks Able, very useful (& thoughtful!).

    Just one comment – I’ve ordered from iHerb twice and both times the delivery has taken far longer than expected (which meant I ran out of certain things for a few days) and also they didn’t pack the probiotics in ice (despite being asked both times).

    Regarding the probiotic I’ve decided to resort to a local one from now on – I had been having the Megaflora 50bill delivered but each time it arrived late & without ice so I didn’t have huge confidence in it’s strength. Also it’s expensive when the delivery is factored in.

    I finished my Megaflora this morning so am changing to BioCare Bio Acidophilus Forte (30bill) and will rotate that with Udo’s 8 (24bill, 14 strain). I’ll take at least 3 of each each morning on an empty stomach and wait 1.5hrs before eating (if I wake very early morning I take it then).

    Bearing in mind – I was on the diet very strictly for 3 months and have spent the last month very (very!) slowly introducing a few things. I’m symptom free (except when I react to something I test) so this plan is a maintenance strategy rather than “full on attack that yeast” strategy that I’ve been on to date.

    Thoughts?

    Lx

    #74352

    Able900
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    Hello, Lucy.

    I wonder if there the company would accept the agreement of a full money back guarantee, in writing and sent to your email address if the product is not packed as requested and is useless when you receive it. I would also request (again in writing) that they agree to accept the return shipping charges if they request that the product be returned. I suppose it might be worth a shot? Or, maybe you’ve already done this.

    Shipped from the US to Ireland without ice, yep, it had to be ruined during that time. Or was it shipped from another location? At any rate, in America, we’d say this sucks.

    To address your concern about your new protocol:
    Conducting a rather short search, I didn’t find Udo’s Super 8 formula containing DDS-1 strain, does it contain this? If not, I did see that their Super 5 formula does. Keep in mind that, even if the count is much lower, the probiotic is likely to still be more beneficial if it contains the DDS-1 strain.
    Otherwise, your maintenance looks quite workable considering the progress you’ve made in such a relatively short period of time.

    Way to go, Lucy.
    Able

    #74354

    wishnhope
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    I would be interested to hear if anyone was able to have a company ship internationally with ice. The few that I have checked have been unable to do it due to not being able to guarantee the item arriving within a set time (i.e. customs may delay it).

    #74369

    CT
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    Thanks for posting this, it will be very useful.

    In regards to packing probiotics in ice/keeping them cold are their shops that actually do this in the US? In England I have never seen this, the major health food store Holland and Baretts always puts them on the shelf. Also the only Whole Foods store in the UK also puts them on the shelf.

    Does this make the products useless or does it only matter once you have opened the bottle?

    If so I have no idea where I would buy them from if iherb don’t package them suitably.

    #74374

    raster
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    It costs about $20 extra per shipment to ship with ice in US. If probiotics are $45 or so, then you get a good picture on how much this could cost you to ship internationally if they do it…

    -raster

    #74377

    Able900
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    CT wrote: In regards to packing probiotics in ice/keeping them cold are their shops that actually do this in the US?

    Hello, CT. Actually I’ve never been in a health food store or vitamin shop in our area which didn’t have a fairly large glass-front refrigeration unit in which they keep the perishable items such as the higher quality probiotics.

    In England I have never seen this; the major health food store Holland and Baretts always puts them on the shelf. Also the only Whole Foods store in the UK also puts them on the shelf.

    Interesting. Have you ever questioned the owners concerning the possibility of the probiotics going bad?

    Does this make the products useless or does it only matter once you have opened the bottle?

    When the information on the label specifies “Refrigeration necessary” or something similar, I would have to wonder the same thing. I really have no way of knowing for certain as I’ve never tested this. I do know that there was an American lady on the forum last summer who ordered a probiotic. It was extremely hot weather and when she received it a little over a week later, there was no ice in the package. She went ahead and took some that day, and was very sick on her stomach for the next 24 hours or so.
    If so I have no idea where I would buy them from if iherb don’t package them suitably.

    The only suggestion I can come up with is to do what Lucy is doing; take high doses of other probiotics containing as many strains as available, add lots of homemade kefir, organic Greek yogurt, and sauerkraut to your diet as well as lots of prebiotics to keep them thriving.

    Able

    #74419

    Thomas
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    Thank you Able for this great Post and the work you did for us again and again!

    you said:

    It was extremely hot weather and when she received it a little over a week later, there was no ice in the package. She went ahead and took some that day, and was very sick on her stomach for the next 24 hours or so.

    How do we know that it was not die-off? I wonder with Probiotics that I react so strong to them. Is that die-off or are they bad? Here in Europe they dont ship with ice and the bottles are standing in the shops, not in the fridge or freezer but in the open on shelf’s. They could be standing there for weeks. I ordered online from a shop with very good probiotics but they too dont ship with ice and dont have a policy for it.

    When I take my probiotics I always get reaction from the. The reactions are stress in the stomach and guts. There is something going one and it results that my vegetative nervous system in the stomach starts freaking out and spreading trough the entire body. When I stop taking it, the sympthoms calm down greatly.

    How do you read these signs. Is that die-off and stress in the body because of the toxins?

    yours
    thomas

    #74420

    Lucylu
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    Hi Able,

    Thanks for the feedback. that’s very interesting about the Udos 5, I hadn’t even thought of checking the ingredients as I assumed Udos 8 would be superior. I’ll get both I think. they’re about €24 a bottle so if I take both that’ll still be cheaper than paying for the one from the States + shipping. (I didn’t bother to complain… I’ve learned to pick my battles and not get myself stressed about things unless they really warrant it! I just couldn’t be arsed to make a fuss over this, I’ll just vote with my feet, and my wallet!)

    CT – you’re right, Holland & Barratt never have had refridgerated sections here either and for that reason I never buy probiotics there. I also find most of their vitamins & supplments have fillers & nasties and they don’t carry good brands like Solgar. Some brands of probiotics say they don’t need refridgeration and the same brands tend to have fillers and maltodextrin in them so are to be avoided anyway.

    I use 2 other shops:- The Quay Co-op (I think this is just a local Irish store, there are 2 near me outlets and it’s bloody good! Does all the organic fresh veg as well as the supplements, kefir, things like the buckwheat soba & all baking goods and most importantly the refridgerated probiotics.) Also “Here’s Health” – is that in the UK? They do all Solgar stuff, big fridge area, all the baking stuff, ACV etc etc.

    Thomas – I second your theory about the potential buy off. But it’s so difficult to know isn’t it?!

    L

    #74431

    CT
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    Able900 wrote: Interesting. Have you ever questioned the owners concerning the possibility of the probiotics going bad?

    The only suggestion I can come up with is to do what Lucy is doing; take high doses of other probiotics containing as many strains as available, add lots of homemade kefir, organic Greek yogurt, and sauerkraut to your diet as well as lots of prebiotics to keep them thriving.

    Able

    I haven’t actually questioned them, I was worried about the answer to be honest as buying the probiotics from holland’s was my ownly option at the time. Hmm maybe I should write to them and ask though because it isn’t like the store does not have any fridges in it! I think I will stock up on the more natural probiotics and try and find a probiotic from the shop Lucylu suggested.

    Lucylu- thank you for the suggestions. I don’t have a here’s health store but I looked at the website and they deliver to the UK so I am definitely going to look into that store.

    #74435

    Chlofloso
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    Look at these studies concerning storage of probiotics:

    Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifidobacterium bifidum stored at ambient temperature are effective in the treatment of acute diarrhoea.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118623

    Dying in yoghurt: the number of living bacteria in probiotic yoghurt decreases under exposure to room temperature.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20838050

    Chloë

    #74466

    CT
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    Chlofloso wrote: Look at these studies concerning storage of probiotics:

    Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifidobacterium bifidum stored at ambient temperature are effective in the treatment of acute diarrhoea.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118623

    Dying in yoghurt: the number of living bacteria in probiotic yoghurt decreases under exposure to room temperature.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20838050

    Chloë

    Thank you those article extracts are quite interesting. At least the store bought probiotics stored on the shelf may still have some benefits. It would be good if there was a study on probiotics that were left at room temperature for several months and their effectiveness then assessed.

    #74526

    Lucylu
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    “Dying in yoghurt: the number of living bacteria in probiotic yoghurt decreases under exposure to room temperature.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20838050

    I don’t understand!!! Surely yoghurt is fermented at room temperature or higher? I would have though that leaving my commercially bought Kefir out of the fridge overnight (for instance) would have increased the fermentation and therefore strength of probiotic? Or am i missing the science bit completely?

    #74919

    CT
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    I have been researching for a while for a decent probiotic. I have come up with two that I could buy from Amazon. Able if you have the time please could you verify if they are okay for me?

    Biokult has 14 strains (2 billion per capsule). It does not seem to contain any candida feeding ingredients, but I could be wrong. Also does not need to be refridgerated. The only strains it does not have that the mega flora contains is the DDS-1, bulgaricus and reuteri.http://www.protexin.com/products/bio-kult-120-capsules/16

    I was thinking of taking an additional probiotic with the DDS-1 strain (3 billion) by Swanson ultra original L.Acidophilus (Dr. Shahani’s). This was the only one I could find with DDS-1 that I could easily buy in the UK http://www.healthmonthly.co.uk/swansons_ultra_original_l_acidophilus_plus_fos.

    It does contain gelatin so I am not sure whether it is worth the risk or not?

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