Probiotics in a very unconventional way

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    Angor
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    I don’t want to take probiotics orally since i’m 99% sure I have SIBO and they give me problems when taken this way. I’ve tried Probiotic enemas; probiotics mixed with water, but I don’t like it. I have a strong feeling that water in my colon = not good and I can’t hold it in anyway. So I was thinking. And this may sound like a ridiculously naive and somewhat unpleasant plan. What if I just put a pill up my … and let it melt. Can’t the probiotics find their way up my colon this way too? Or am I just waaaaay off.

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    dvjorge
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    Angor wrote: I don’t want to take probiotics orally since i’m 99% sure I have SIBO and they give me problems when taken this way. I’ve tried Probiotic enemas; probiotics mixed with water, but I don’t like it. I have a strong feeling that water in my colon = not good and I can’t hold it in anyway. So I was thinking. And this may sound like a ridiculously naive and somewhat unpleasant plan. What if I just put a pill up my … and let it melt. Can’t the probiotics find their way up my colon this way too? Or am I just waaaaay off.

    The best Probiotic in the world !!

    Dr. Michael S. Silverman, an infectious diseases specialist at the University of Toronto, reported in the journal of Clinical Gastroenterology and Hepatology on seven cases in which do-it-yourselfers achieved “100 percent clinical success.” They received step-by-step instructions about how to mix a small quantity of stool (1.7 ounces) with slightly less than 7 ounces of saline in a blender until it reaches “milkshake” consistency, pour the mixture into an enema bag and then administer according to directions provided with the enema bag kit.

    Easy and simple !

    Jorge.

    #90601

    sophie
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    dvjorge wrote: They received step-by-step instructions about how to mix a small quantity of stool (1.7 ounces) with slightly less than 7 ounces of saline in a blender until it reaches “milkshake” consistency, pour the mixture into an enema bag and then administer according to directions provided with the enema bag kit.

    And what do you do with the blender after that???! No more smoothies for me!!

    #90603

    dvjorge
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    sophie wrote:

    They received step-by-step instructions about how to mix a small quantity of stool (1.7 ounces) with slightly less than 7 ounces of saline in a blender until it reaches “milkshake” consistency, pour the mixture into an enema bag and then administer according to directions provided with the enema bag kit.

    And what do you do with the blender after that???! No more smoothies for me!!

    There are cheap blenders costing less than 20 bucks !!

    What is what matter the blender or your health ??

    Jorge.

    #90605

    raster
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    Get a goodwill or garage sale blender!

    -raster

    #90612

    Freakzilla
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    I have sibo to and probiotics never ever seemed to Help me and now I know why because there is an overgrowth already. also know its an overgrowth of c.diff in my small intestine but nothing seems to work to get rid of it and because of this I have colitis. I’m trying to find a doc near Philadelphia that does the fecal bacterial transplant/enema. I do beleive sibo and yeast/candida mimic symptoms greatly and one may contribute to the other.cant seem to get any relief. I also have some skin issue, malabsorption issues, and this directly is the small intestine.

    GI issues are the worst! It just isn’t right:(. Completely changed my life!

    #90613

    flailingWcandi
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    raster wrote: Get a goodwill or garage sale blender!

    -raster

    I’m NEVER going to buy a garage sale or used blender, after reading this thread……

    #90614

    flailingWcandi
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    Freakzilla wrote: I have sibo to…..I do beleive sibo and yeast/candida mimic symptoms greatly and one may contribute to the other.cant seem to get any relief.

    FYI –

    Several years ago after various specialists couldn’t figure out what was wrong, I was sent to Dr. Mark Pimental at Cedars Sinai. He ran a HBT which confused them since they weren’t seeing what they were used to seeing in the HBT results. Yet, I was diagnosed with SIBO and due to my issues being in the lower right quadrant was put on a protocol of an elemental diet for 14 days (even more extreme than a candida protocol, believe it or not). They used a product called Vivionex (make sure to buy the flavor packets) which is predigested, is apparently mostly absorbed in the upper small intestine and thus, starves the bacteria in the lower small intestine. I felt somewhat “better” during treatment but, once going back on normal foods things still weren’t right.

    I have since learned the other SIBO protocol treatment is using abx’s – not sure which abx but, in theory being the abx kill off the bad bacteria (as well as good). Assume decision on which treatment to use based on whether a patient complains of upper or lower small intestinal discomfort.

    It seems logical if either treatment is used, probiotics would be encouraged after treatment yet, I was never directed of such. Go figure…..

    #90620

    Thomas
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    Freakzilla wrote: I have sibo to and probiotics never ever seemed to Help me and now I know why because there is an overgrowth already. also know its an overgrowth of c.diff in my small intestine but nothing seems to work to get rid of it and because of this I have colitis. I’m trying to find a doc near Philadelphia that does the fecal bacterial transplant/enema. I do beleive sibo and yeast/candida mimic symptoms greatly and one may contribute to the other.cant seem to get any relief. I also have some skin issue, malabsorption issues, and this directly is the small intestine.

    GI issues are the worst! It just isn’t right:(. Completely changed my life!

    Hi
    Please check out Elaine Gottschall a woman who healed her child and herself from a very strong case of inflamations in the intestines. She became a scientist and studied nutrition and biochemical reactions. Here on her website you can read her lifestory and get a start with her specific diet helping people with SIBO and inflammations.

    http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

    What is different between the diet here and hers is that even both adress the fact that sugars are feeding bacteria and yeast. She makes a difference between the carbohydrates. In her resurge she found that polysaccharides,disaccarides are to be avoided but that monosaccarides are ok and needed. Lets take for example the banana. Its not on the food allowed list here even if its a great source of potasium. On her diet its not allowed either when there are no dark spots on the banana as the banana in that state consist of harmfull sugars. After the banana gets old and gets dark spot the sugars in the banana change to a monosccarides and is not harmfull and cant be digested from bacteria or yeast. So you can eat a banana and get the nice potasium out.

    If you suffer from SIBO you definitly should try to avoid food with fibre content. Be low on that one and see that you will feel much better already after 3 days.

    There is a lot of evidence now that fecal transplants are healing inflammation in the intestines and is healing crohns and colitis suffers to 93 percent. I just read it yesterday in a sciencepaper here in Sweden. In Finland they have started with it on 300 patients with great success. Djorge was right with it!.

    all the best
    Thomas

    #90623

    flailingWcandi
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    Thomas wrote:
    http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

    I like this diet…..

    Bourbon Legal Only have it occasionally.

    What’s not to like! Okay, the occasionally part: I know I know…..Only kidding but, I’m not kidding as well.

    Thanks again Thomas, I always learn something from your posts.

    Blessings.

    #90625

    Bucephalus
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    What do you mean by , “to 93 percent” Thomas?
    Do you 93 percent of patients where cured? Or they each patient was on average 93 percent cured?
    Also, I would like to read that article. I wonder if it’s online.

    #90626

    Bucephalus
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    Oh yeah, can you send me the reference please Thomas?
    thanks.

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