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    mrs.candida
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    I have the WORST luck with doctors. For those of you who don’t know I’m the one who spent 20 years and 20+ doctors telling me that nothing real was wrong with me, and “here’s some antidepressants”. Nine of these doctors couldn’t even diagnose a yeast infection.

    I have seen naturopaths, medical doctors, internists, chinese doctors and a bunch of other energy workers.

    I have recently moved from the US to Amsterdam Netherlands, so I’m dealing with a culture where I don’t speak the language and I don’t know exactly how the health care system works. On my first visit to my new general practitioners office he was stumped with my long list of symptoms and decided to focus on the one symptom of weight loss, he sent me to see a nutritionist who never returned my phone calls and I was never able to work with her. This was probably a good thing because I was on month 4 of the forums strict diet and I’m pretty sure she would have told me that I can’t live without eating fruit and brown bread (people in the Netherlands think brown bread is healthy and should be given to young children to encourage health, I’m not kidding!)

    So I had decided to leave my MD alone and focus on the forums diet. I had a huge weight loss in a 2 month period (50 lbs) this strikes me as not normal and something my doctor should know about. I also wanted to have some tests done, so I contacted him with an update on my condition and asked to have a heavy metal toxicity test, and enzyme panal, and a yeast allergy test. His reply was, “that’s not something I treat” you should seek out alternative therapy!! I’m so angry….why do I even bother paying for health insurance? (I do know why and I don’t want to debate it)

    So I turn to the internet and a Facebook group called “Amsterdam Natural Parents Network”, and I get nothing but inappropriate advice. This is the second time Bioresonance therapy has come up. I think I’ve had it before in the States, it’s really just a diagnostic tool if I’m not mistaken. Also practitioners using Bioresonace therapy treat with homeopathics, which is useless in the face of Candida. Aparently the one lady who is the best at Bioresonace therapy has a huge waiting list.

    I know I’m a bit spoiled coming from Portland where on in every 3rd person on the street is a naturopath, or an acupuncturist. I’m just so angry and I’m venting here. Any advice or ideas would be helpful. Raster was kind enough to offer his doctor but he doesn’t use the internet which concerns me. Also with the time change and my adrenal fatigue I can’t have a phone conversation with a doctor at 9 or 10 at night my time, my brain does not have the capacity.

    I feel I’m at a point in my treatment where I need to understand why Candida happened to me. Which of my bodys systems were at fault, and how did it happen?

    #99705

    Cheesey
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    Hi Mrs C.

    I’m sorry to hear you’re having such a tough time with these doctors! I know how frustrating it can be. Fortunately for me I’ve found a doctor that is actually willing to believe that my symptoms aren’t just ‘due to anxiety’. Though he still raised his eyebrows when I mentioned the herxheimer reaction.

    On the alternative side of things, the gentleman I see to help me with these things lives in York in the UK. He conducts telephone appointments and might be willing to take you on as a client all the way over in Amsterdam. He’s not a naturopath. I’m not really too sure what he is. He operates out of a scientific research building on York university campus.

    This is his website:
    http://www.york-biofeedback.co.uk/nutrition_therapy_york.aspx

    I can’t be certain that he will be willing to help you solely via the telephone, but he is the type of guy who is more than eager to run all the tests that the doctors won’t. He did tell me that my die-off should be over in a week and hadn’t heard of molybdenum, so there have been times that I have questioned his knowledge. But I also think there are a lot of things he has good insight into.

    #99707

    mrs.candida
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    Cheesy! I can’t thank you enough for your reply.

    My husband and I have come to the decision that I would be allowed to travel anywhere necessary to see a doctor that could help me. I was going to start looking in London, but York works. The thing I like about your guy is that I’m not asking for treatment, just tests and a good interpretation of the test results, also knowledge of what tests can produce fasle results.

    I’m feeling so lost this morning. I just called a local Dutch Doctor who was described as this:
    “and you can feel her purity. I am not going to try and sell you on her. It’s only the fortunate who get ahold of Martha and her excellent work.”

    So I called, here’s how the conversation went.

    me: “hello I was referred by so&so, I’m looking for a practitioner who can help me with my Candida”

    her: “yes?”

    me: “yes, I’m looking for help with Candida treatment”

    her: “yes? what else”

    me: “Just Candida, Candida is a pretty big deal and a lot to treat”

    her: “It’s just a symptom”

    me: “ok, what is it you do”

    her: ” I will change the DNA of your body so Candida is no longer an issue”

    In the end I got on her 2 month long waiting list, I’m not sure why, disparity?

    #99708

    Cheesey
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    Wow im not sure I would want someone changing my DNA!

    Glyn is away until Thursday but you should be able to get in touch with him from then.

    #99737

    mrs.candida
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    Thanks Cheesy I did telephone them today. I really appreciate it.

    #99743

    Able900
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    Hello, Mrs. C.
    I’m sorry to see you feeling this way to do, not a very pleasant way to go through your day.

    First let me address the fact that you lost 50 pounds in two months. Personally, I don’t think there is a problem with this. Is it normal? No, of course not, and the reason is that probably 99% of the people who want to lose weight can’t because they’re either on the wrong diet or they cheat on their diet. My guess is, they’re almost always on the wrong diet. I didn’t need to lose more than 5 to 10 pounds at the very most when I went on the strict diet, but managed to lose 32 pounds while on the diet. When you need to lose weight, you’ll lose more and you’ll probably lose it quicker, especially in the beginning.

    The truth is, if a person has no medical problem which causes them to gain weight, then the weight is put on by eating more calories than your body is burning, and nothing else These excess calories normally come from sugar, carbohydrates, and believe it or not, meat. You eliminated all three of these when you went on the diet. (Statistics show that if a person eats red meat on a daily basis, and removes nothing but this meat completely from his diet, he will lose weight unless he replaces the meat with carbohydrates or sugar.)

    So I believe your experience would be the normal experience for anyone who was overweight and went on this diet.

    I feel I’m at a point in my treatment where I need to understand why Candida happened to me. Which of my bodys systems were at fault, and how did it happen?

    If this is something you’ve never managed to figure out, it should prove interesting if you can do it.

    Looking at your normal habits before you ever contracted your Candida overgrowth should give you a few clues.
    Factors like:

    What was your normal daily diet like, and how long had you been eating this way?
    What was your health like before the infestation?
    What medications had you been taking off and on including antibiotics?
    Had you ever been on birth control pills and if so, for how long?

    Please don’t allow doctors to determine the mood of your day.
    Able

    #99747

    raster
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    Contact my naturopath, he is in the top 1% of his field in my opinion. Her learned from Belgium and Spanish doctors and knows about stuff that most other naturopaths don’t know.

    Healing holistically (multiple organs at once) is a great approach in attacking candida and getting you back to where you want to be. I would look for a holistic naturopathic doctor.

    Homeopathics work and are very effective in my opinion. He has some great liver and kidney ones that will prevent most of your symptoms.

    -raster

    #99769

    alexalgebra
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    That bioresonance thing sounds like this fucking quack I saw here. He calls it nutrition response testing and something something laser something, I forget :p Anyway, he does muscle testing, where you lift your arm and hold something and he tells you if you’re reacting to it or not…uses this as a diagnostic tool to see what’s wrong with you. He told me I had parasites (wrong) and that I was allergic to nightshades (also wrong). He did get me the test I needed to find out I had candida, though, which was ultimately good, but I dumped about $1k into this guy that I didn’t really have.

    Anyway, he has this machine called the BAZ5000 or 3000, I forget, but it’s basically a laser pointer that the receptionist points at some accupuncture points to do something that changes your DNA or something in your body to make your body stop reacting to allergens/intolerances. I could have bought a $2 laser pointer and achieved the same results (aka…nothing).

    Some people swear by it, but it was all a bunch of BS to me.

    #99798

    mrs.candida
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    These excess calories normally come from sugar, carbohydrates, and believe it or not, meat. You eliminated all three of these when you went on the diet.

    Actually, the way I came to the diet I had been sugar free and low carb for a while. The doctor I was seeing before starting the forums diet put me on an Atkins diet. So yes, cutting out meat and cheese is certainly going to do something, but it took almost 6 months. I had to stop following the diet in August when I moved overseas, but that didn’t mean I was eating badly, just not strict. I suspect that my body had to rid itself of a certain amount of candida before it was going to loose weight.

    What was your normal daily diet like, and how long had you been eating this way?
    What was your health like before the infestation?
    What medications had you been taking off and on including antibiotics?
    Had you ever been on birth control pills and if so, for how long?

    I’m constantly asking these questions to myself.

    Diet: I have always considered myself to be a healthy eater. I come from overweight parents, so I’ve always been hyper aware of diet. That being said, I was a vegetarian most of my life (ages 15-30) Im sure this lead to increased carb intake. However I’ve always fought my sweet tooth, I have pretty good will power and my mothers a type 2 diabetic so I have been fearful of eating too much sugar my whole life.

    Health: I remember my mother giving me vagisil for vaginal itching around age 5. I had my tonsils out at age 4, so that could be something. In my teens I had problems sleeping, dry inflamed skin, and depression then as I hit my 20’s a constant yeast infection that lasted a decade. So I don’t ever remember a time of good health.

    I also have a LOT of metal fillings from the 80’s probably about 9, so this is concerning to me.

    Medications… I have never used antibiotics excessively. I have used prescription strength Motrin, way too much. I remember taking my dads prescription in high school, for every little ailment. So I can figure I made some nice holes in my digestive tract back in my teens.

    Never been on birth control.
    (Able, I received your message, thanks for reaching out. I’ll reply soon.)

    Alex, yes I agree. I saw someone in Portland that did something similar and he prescribed me homeopathics which did nothing. There are so many quacks treating candida, it makes me mad to think that people are spending money they don’t even have hoping to find a cure or even some improvement and these doctors are too pompous to admit that they do not know for sure that what they are prescribing will work.

    I would look for a holistic naturopathic doctor.

    Things are really a lot different here then they are in the states. I don’t think it’s possible to find a naturopathic doctor locally who will be able to help. Also, there’s my history with doctors, every time I see a new one they want to take me back to something I’ve already tried and I know won’t work. With the cultural difference, it’s hard. You have to believe me when I tell you that any doctor I see in this country will not want to hear my input. Because they are the doctor and I’m the patient, I’m expected to keep quite and do what they tell me to.

    I don’t trust anyone who doesn’t use the internet. How is it possible for a doctor to stay informed on the latest tests and studies if he’s not online?
    Is there such a thing as a non holistic naturopathic doctor? I assumed naturopathic meant holistic approach.

    Right now I’m thinking of seeing Cheesy’s lab tech in York, or possibly searching out a Candida specialist in London. I just want to get these tests done.

    #99806

    Kag
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    So do you think that you lost the weight because of the candida diet or something else? I am kind of confused… Couldn’t it be that your metabolism suddenly kicked in and you finally lost weight?

    I would get some regular testing done if you really haven’t been eating less. A sudden large weight loss is not normal.

    #99807

    Kag
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    Also, could it be that some of the stress of moving took the weight off of you? I know that when I am stressed out, I eat less.

    #99813

    mrs.candida
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    Hi Kag,

    I’m sure of only one thing in regard to my weight loss, and that’s that it was water. This is because of the rapid nature of the loss, and because I had severe edema problems prior to the weight coming off. I don’t seem to have such bad edema any more.

    I suspect that I needed to get rid of some candida for the weigh to come off, but I have no science to back that up.
    Able summed it up beautifully in another post

    1) The Candida fungus causes fluid retention and makes it more difficult to lose the water weight throughout the infestation.

    2) Before it’s treated as well as during the treatment, a fungal yeast overgrowth such as Candida will almost always cause a thyroid imbalance. This is because it’s capable of blocking the hormone receptors, therefore decreasing hormone effects. Hormones control metabolism, and in this case, the thyroid almost always reacts with hypothyroid. Even with mild cases of a Candida overgrowth, hypothyroid is usually present to some degree whether it’s noticed or not. Sometimes the hypothyroid symptoms are mistaken as simply the Candida symptoms since the symptoms of Hypothyroidism mimic those of a Candida overgrowth.
    Once the infestation is cured, or nearly cured, the thyroid begins to return to normal. I had my levels checked during the worst of my infestation and then again afterwards, so I know this to be true. Of course, if the thyroid is severely damaged, then other steps may have to be taken even after a cure of the infestation.

    3) More than normal levels of toxins in the body make weight loss more difficult, and everyone knows to what extent a Candida overgrowth affects the level of toxins in the body.

    4) And the reason which I believe is the most significant along with hormones is that a Candida albicans overgrowth in the body triggers a response in the immune system which puts stress on the adrenal glands. When the adrenals are under stress, this causes a rise in cortisol levels which in turn signals your body to hold on to its fat reserve. To put it simply, stress of the adrenals will normally equal weight gain and/or the inability to lose weight.

    Stress? I’m sure stress plays a role. However I’m a person who gains weight in times of stress.

    #99820

    Kag
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    So, you weren’t seeing the doctor about the weight loss?

    #99822

    Able900
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    mrs.candida;38301 wrote: Diet: I have always considered myself to be a healthy eater. I come from overweight parents, so I’ve always been hyper aware of diet. That being said, I was a vegetarian most of my life (ages 15-30) Im sure this lead to increased carb intake. However I’ve always fought my sweet tooth, I have pretty good will power and my mothers a type 2 diabetic so I have been fearful of eating too much sugar my whole life.

    Health: I remember my mother giving me vagisil for vaginal itching around age 5. I had my tonsils out at age 4, so that could be something. In my teens I had problems sleeping, dry inflamed skin, and depression then as I hit my 20’s a constant yeast infection that lasted a decade. So I don’t ever remember a time of good health.

    I also have a LOT of metal fillings from the 80’s probably about 9, so this is concerning to me.

    Medications… I have never used antibiotics excessively. I have used prescription strength Motrin, way too much. I remember taking my dads prescription in high school, for every little ailment. So I can figure I made some nice holes in my digestive tract back in my teens.

    Never been on birth control.

    Looking at your history, Mrs. C, I’m sure you’ll agree that there doesn’t appear to be any more of a reason to explain a Candida overgrowth than with the average person who has never had the problem.

    According to The New England Journal of Medicine, two independent research teams discovered that genetic mutations in two proteins involved in the pathway responsible for recognition of fungal beta-glucans substantially impaired the immune system’s ability to control fungi. What this means is, if these mutations are in your family genes, then you would have an increased risk for fungal yeast problems.

    Considering the possible problems you had with yeast at such an early age, Mrs. C, I’m afraid my money is on the genetic mutation being your Achilles’ heel. But I believe a lot of people have this mutation in their family history, and it certainly doesn’t mean that you can’t cure your infestation, it would only mean you’re a little more susceptible to contracting a problem.

    It would probably prove interesting if you were able to look at the medical history of your ancestors, but then wouldn’t we all love to do that.

    Able

    #99823

    dvjorge
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    mrs.candida;38204 wrote: I have the WORST luck with doctors. For those of you who don’t know I’m the one who spent 20 years and 20+ doctors telling me that nothing real was wrong with me, and “here’s some antidepressants”. Nine of these doctors couldn’t even diagnose a yeast infection.

    I have seen naturopaths, medical doctors, internists, chinese doctors and a bunch of other energy workers.

    I have recently moved from the US to Amsterdam Netherlands, so I’m dealing with a culture where I don’t speak the language and I don’t know exactly how the health care system works. On my first visit to my new general practitioners office he was stumped with my long list of symptoms and decided to focus on the one symptom of weight loss, he sent me to see a nutritionist who never returned my phone calls and I was never able to work with her. This was probably a good thing because I was on month 4 of the forums strict diet and I’m pretty sure she would have told me that I can’t live without eating fruit and brown bread (people in the Netherlands think brown bread is healthy and should be given to young children to encourage health, I’m not kidding!)

    So I had decided to leave my MD alone and focus on the forums diet. I had a huge weight loss in a 2 month period (50 lbs) this strikes me as not normal and something my doctor should know about. I also wanted to have some tests done, so I contacted him with an update on my condition and asked to have a heavy metal toxicity test, and enzyme panal, and a yeast allergy test. His reply was, “that’s not something I treat” you should seek out alternative therapy!! I’m so angry….why do I even bother paying for health insurance? (I do know why and I don’t want to debate it)

    So I turn to the internet and a Facebook group called “Amsterdam Natural Parents Network”, and I get nothing but inappropriate advice. This is the second time Bioresonance therapy has come up. I think I’ve had it before in the States, it’s really just a diagnostic tool if I’m not mistaken. Also practitioners using Bioresonace therapy treat with homeopathics, which is useless in the face of Candida. Aparently the one lady who is the best at Bioresonace therapy has a huge waiting list.

    I know I’m a bit spoiled coming from Portland where on in every 3rd person on the street is a naturopath, or an acupuncturist. I’m just so angry and I’m venting here. Any advice or ideas would be helpful. Raster was kind enough to offer his doctor but he doesn’t use the internet which concerns me. Also with the time change and my adrenal fatigue I can’t have a phone conversation with a doctor at 9 or 10 at night my time, my brain does not have the capacity.

    I feel I’m at a point in my treatment where I need to understand why Candida happened to me. Which of my bodys systems were at fault, and how did it happen?

    I read your post and would like to know what test are you willing to take ??

    What does really you want, a treatment or to confirm you have CRC ??

    Let me know it, and I believe I can help a bit.

    Jorge.

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