Mom and 4 month old with systemic yeast-please advise!

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    LoveReese2pieces
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    Hi
    This is my first time being in the forum although I have been on the site for a while now. I have a 4 1/2 month old son whom I have been trying to breastfeed since birth. Things were going well up until six weeks of age when he started to have red creases which over time transformed into head to toe sebhorreic dermatitis. His scalp is completely scaled over and all of his fell out, he has a terrible yeast diaper rash and is itchy all over almost all the time. His pediatrician prescribed an azole cream but it does absolutely nothing. I finally realized after much research that I was the problem and that I have every symptom of yeast overgrowth/ leaky gut. I have a two year old daughter as well and she had the same type of rash but hers was not full body nor did she scratch the way my son does. I put him on a hypo-allergenic amino acid based baby formula because this helped my daughter but it did nothing for my son. He was the same if not worse – when I read the ingredients the very first one was corn syrup solids so no mystery there as to why his yeast did not clear up. I am amazed at the lack of information and support there is for breastfeeding mothers and infants with yeast. As far as I know, I don’t have thrush on my nipples and he doesn’t have it in his mouth but I am using an azole nipple cream after each feeding. I am putting baby probiotics and coconut oil in his bottle once a day. His red splotchiness comes and goes.

    Here is what I have been doing and am currently doing:
    I started out the very first time trying to eliminate most sugar and went straight to stage 3 of the diet. Then I wised up and realized that I have been infested for years and am passing this to my baby. While he was taking the formula I decided to try and cleanse. I fasted for three days and then went on to eat nothing but raw veggies and greens (listed on the cleanse part of the diet) for the next four days. I did experience major die-off and BROKE OUT IN THE SAME RASH AS MY SON in the same places! Now that I know how he must feel I will not stop or rest until he is clear. I am now on the strict diet and am having a very hard time with my supply because I am just not eating enough calories. It is very hard to eat this way let alone get extra calories for breastfeeding. I am trying to stick with it and continue breastfeeding because I don’t see how he will ever have relief with any formula containing so much *crap in it feeding his yeast. I have started feeding him avocado as a first food to help him fight his yeast. Any advice on how to help him clear up and not itch all the time would be more than appreciated! I know we are probably a very rare occurrence – but I’m so tired of medical doctors looking at me like I am insane when I talk about him having systemic yeast but no one can convince me otherwise. After the way my body reacted I know yeast is to blame- especially when I look at family history on both sides and the genetic pre-disposition as well as my own health/ eating habits over the years.

    In addition to the strict diet I am taking:
    coconut oil
    Omega 3
    Pau D’Arco
    Acidophilus
    GSE
    Candidase
    Evening Primrose Oil

    For my son:
    I rub him with olive oil and the primrose oil and pau d’ arco lotion
    He gets probiotic and coconut oil twice a day (once in the morning and once at night)

    If anyone has any advice on how to tweak the diet so that I can get more calories without feeding yeast please let me know- a diet sample or recommendation would be good to as this is all new to me! I am thankful for this site and how much I have already learned and the progress we have made- or at least I have made. I feel so much better and have more energy than I ever imagined but I am completely stumped on how to help my son! Please help us! Thank you in advance!

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    Able900
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    I don’t understand why you’re still breast feeding your baby if you have an overgrowth of Candida yeast. Maybe you can explain it to me; but it appears to me that everything you’re doing to treat him is a waste of time as long as you’re breast feeding him.

    Able

    #97616

    KEC
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    Hi, I am in a similar boat. I have an 18 mth old that I am still breast feeding (trying to wean, she just won’t have it). She had a yeast diaper rash about a month ago and has never been on antibiotics so I started thinking it came from me. Did some research, and candida actually explains a couple health things of my own. Anyway, I totally get why you are still nursing, formula is questionable in the first place let alone trying to find one for a candida sufferer. Have you looked into Nurishing Traditions homemade baby formula? I believe they have a meat based one. It might contain milk also, but maybe switch it to coconut or almond milk? Is there a Naturopathic doc that you could take him to, someone more open to the realities of candida? Being a newbie and all, I don’t really want to give advise, Im only one week in and have many questions myself, but it would seem to me, if you are treating him and yourself, why would it be bad to continue nursing? Good luck!!!

    #97617

    KEC
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    I just read the section on this site for breast feeding moms,says to skip phase 1 and eat meat, and some carbs and fruit. That should help with your supply? But I would really try to find a natural doc.

    #97620

    hope4eva77
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    The benifits of breast feeding are endless u are giving your son a stronger immune system even if u have yeast overgrowth benifits outweigh risks continue as long as u can.

    Eat avocado , more coconut bread, eggs, and maybe sum apples or brown rice every few days. I agree maybe a natural path can help your boy but I understand the cost of this may b to much, I certainly can’t afford one.

    I’m so sorry about this my baby girl is 19 months and also has a yeast issue she is healthy as far as never getting sick but has had 2 yeast infections and now has thrush on tounge that won’t go away. And wont to coconut oil spits it out! I just calld doc for nystatin today idk hope it works

    Your doc should of did nystatin did u try that yet? Sounds like u are doing all u can. Ill try to think of other things I am doing probiotics for my baby as well but hubby keeps giving her cookies and drives me crazy! Anyway in the meantime goodluck .

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    Able900
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    I’m really curious after reading the opinions on this subject from some of the ladies. I’m wondering if others whould chime in and tell us, if you were in the position of having a Candida albicans infestation, but your baby did not, would you continue to breast feed your baby?

    Whatever is taken into or created in a mother’s body eventually will end up in the milk supply because a mother’s breast are described as a virtual ‘sponge’ when it comes to soaking up the substances that are in her body. Of course, the purpose of this action is to soak up and feed the baby as many of the vitamins and other nutrients that are available in the mother’s body. But unfortunately, the breasts cannot differentiate between the different substances that enter a human body. This is why when breast milk is analyzed in research studies, such substances as PCB’s, dioxin, trichloroethylene, perchlorate, mercury, lead, benzene, and arsenic are found in the milk … And, if a mother is fighting a Candida infestation, the baby is also going to be ingesting milk which is tainted with both Candida albicans as well as the aldehyde toxins from the dying Candida. The problem is, if you’re treating both the mother and the baby for a Candida overgrowth, and the baby is breast feeding, then the poor baby is getting a double dose of the die-off toxins. Certainly not a very safe situation for the baby.

    Please understand that I am not saying that mothers should not breast feed their babies, obviously breast feeding is the healthiest way to nourish a baby; I’m just a long way from being convinced that a mother with a Candida overgrowth should breast feed a baby with or without the same problem.

    Able

    #97653

    hope4eva77
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    when i was breast feeding i wasent aware yet that i had candida i know for certain health reasons there are situations where mothers shouldnt breast feed for the reasons u say because they could give their child the condition .i also know that certain medications are ok during breastfeeding as they arent excreted in milk .

    because noone really knows what medicines taken for candida other than diflucan can be excreted in milk its really tricky to say what would be best here ,we dont know what medicines she is taking and how much toxins are really being excreted thru her milk .we do know breastfeeding is the best thing for the babys immune system even if hers isnt in top shape right now .

    maybe trying an organic formula along with breastfeeding and do half and half but since your baby is still so young i really wanna advise u to continue breastfeeding as long as u can .i was upset when i stopped at 6 months due to pain issues and i wished i could of done it longer well mayb nxt time ,dont beat yourself up if u decide to stop but just keep trying for now .

    #97658

    Kag
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    I do not think you should be breastfeeding if you have systemic candida… That said, try to find a holistic formula, perhaps at a health food store. I know that breastfeeding is better for children on the whole, but if you are trying to cure him, then he will probably have to be without your breast milk. So sorry. 🙁

    #97664

    LoveReese2pieces
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    Well I didn’t mean to cause an uproar but I have been warring with myself since he first broke out. Once I found out his problem was yeast I started pouring myself into research about it but like I said there is no information on candida albicans and breastfeeding- only thrush and that is not our problem. I knew we both had yeast and it needed to be gotten rid of or killed off. I didn’t realize that it would take such a toll on my body and because of my lack of information sources, until reading this it never occurred to me that he is getting my die-off toxins as well. As of this moment, I will not continue breastfeeding. My poor son has not gone a day in his life (minus the first six weeks) where he has not scratched and itched profusely. As a mother, there is nothing worse than watching your baby suffer. I want him well and what is best for him, whether it be my milk or formula, is what I will do for him and now that I have new information, I feel he will definitely be better off with the formula. What is so frustrating is that even after almost an entire month of just formula he was still having new breakouts and was just as bad if not worse than when we were nursing full time. Maybe this was die off and I didn’t realize it? I decided to try breastfeeding again this last time because I did the cleanse and have been feeling very good and he had improved so much. I can tell my memory has improved, no brain fog, and tons more energy even with having two small children and limited sleep. I did not nurse my son last night after reading the somewhat harsh first response to my post because I have tortured myself as to whether or not breastfeeding was best anyways and will just quit completely once and for all. That being said, how do you help an infant get over their infestation while eating nothing but a tiny bit of food and formula that contains yeast feeding ingredients? I will continue the coconut oil, diet approved veggies, and probiotics. Is there anything else I can do to help him? I had to give him benadryl this morning he was itching so badly. I would also like to add that despite all of this we have been dealing with for months, my son has gained weight steadily (is actually huge for his age) and has an amazingly happy disposition.

    As for myself, I am still experiencing rash on and off from time to time but am not sure if this is die off symptoms or what? I also have noticed that my scalp is so incredibly oily. It never looks clean no matter how I wash it and I haven’t changed anything in my wash routine. Maybe I should have done the cleanse longer? I feel like my body has gone completely crazy- even with my overgrowth, I haven’t had skin problems in the last few years. When I was a child I always had eczema, allergies and asthma and in my adult life endometriosis – all related to candida I’m sure. My children are pre-disposed for these things because it is rampant on my side and my husband’s. Which is why it is so important to me to learn as much as I can because I don’t want them suffering the things my husband and I have dealt with for years. Which is part of the reason I was so incredibly determined to breastfeed because it helps prevent allergies- but I realize now I may have made it worse now by giving him candida. I am at my wits end and just want to go find a wall to bang my head on.

    #97668

    LoveReese2pieces
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    Kag;36100 wrote: I do not think you should be breastfeeding if you have systemic candida… That said, try to find a holistic formula, perhaps at a health food store. I know that breastfeeding is better for children on the whole, but if you are trying to cure him, then he will probably have to be without your breast milk. So sorry. 🙁

    Thank you for the kindness 🙂 I am incredibly sad that I am not healthy enough to breastfeed because both me and my son really loved it. I have not ever heard or seen formula at the health food store although I have not looked for it either. Can you recommend a few or at least name some that I can research? Thanks!

    #97670

    raster
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    I agree with what able has said.

    As far as you personal treatment, you can get over candida overgrowth in as short of a time as little as 6 months if you do it correctly, it just takes the right supplements, planning, big budget, and determination. After you get over candida and are over die-off, you can then start breastfeeding your baby…you just should stop for a short period of time until you get better.

    In your first post you mentioned you are takin acidophilus, but this is only one strain and likely a low count of bacteria (CFU). We recommend a high count, high strain probiotic that contains many more strains and over 20 billion cfu per capsule.

    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postst1108_Lactobacillus-acidophilus-DDS1.aspx

    If you want to feel better and detox the candida toxins out of the body as quickly as possible, there are two ways to do this. One is to detox via the liver and support you liver as much as possible. You are not doing this from what I can gather and thus the toxins are not going anywhere. A different way to detox is via sweating by doing a steam room, sauna, hot tub, jacuzzi, or even hot bath. Sweating out the toxins via this method can completely eliminate die-off symptoms. Rashes can occur if your body is not detoxing properly (due to possible liver damage) so the body has to detox via a seperate method such as the skin.

    If you are at your wits end and want a good doctor who can treat you and your baby, I know of a naturopath who is very good here in Oregon if you want me to forward his contact information. He treats people from China to Brazil and he can turn you around quickly so you can start breastfeeding again. It’ll cost some big bucks though.

    As far as you scalp symptoms, you could have ringworm which is caused by both parasites and candida. This takes a long time to treat from my experience.

    -raster

    #97673

    Kag
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    Hey Love, I will ask at work, okay? I work at a health food Co-op. I also know some midwives that may know something about this. I will try to find out tomorrow, okay?

    #97675

    hope4eva77
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    i completly understand your frustration i was also very upset when i stopped breastfeeding .i can certainly understand why u have chosen to stop as theres no way to know if the amount of toxins being excreted .im so sorry i gave my baby similac oragnic formula they have all different kinds and one states its similar to breast milk also try to find a breastmilk donation clinic in your area maybe if u cant give him your breast milk u can buy someone elses and give him in a bottle .

    it is possible to do what raster says with keeping your supply up and doing it later but this is so extremely hard as u will have to pump every 3 hrs throw the milk away since its not ok to drink and do this the whole time your detoxing and recovering it just sounds like to much and by this time your baby may even be old enough for reg milk which is 12 months as u know .so i think trying to find a clinic that donates is best option honey ,please dont beat yourself up abut it u and your son are gonna get thru this and be ok !I love your forum name btw !

    #97678

    LoveReese2pieces
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    Kag;36115 wrote: Hey Love, I will ask at work, okay? I work at a health food Co-op. I also know some midwives that may know something about this. I will try to find out tomorrow, okay?

    Thank you!

    And Thank you hope4eva77- Reese is my daughter. 🙂 And yes I do think at this point it will just be best to do formula and try to treat his candida as well. At least then I know exactly (to an extent) what he is taking in.

    Raster- thanks for scaring the crap out of me with the ringworm and liver damage… :/ hopefully that is not the case for me but I am concerned with the changes I have seen- my hair is coming out by the handfulls when I brush it – although I can attribute this to hormone changes with the breastfeeding and it being only 4 months post partum. The oily scalp has just started. As far as the cost of healing this; we have already spent a small fortune on 300 + a month hypo-allergenic formula, numerous supplements, a visit to an idiotic very un-helpful local naturopath, numerous trips to the pediatrician, prescription creams, and a trip to Vanderbilt Children’s Hospital to see a pediatric allergist/ immunology specialist. So at this point, flying completely across the country ( from N. Alabama) does not sound crazy – in fact I would leave tomorrow IF this person can really help me and my son. Breastfeeding or not, at this point I want my life back and for my son to be healthy and rash/ symptom free. Please send me the info and some back ground info on what would make him qualified to treat us. Thanks so much!

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    hope4eva77
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    u should see if there is a breastfeeding donation clinic in your area also it may be less expensive than organic formula and better !

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