- November 19, 2011 at 3:58 pm #67857
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So here is a brief history of what is going on with me. I have had a history of chronic yeast infections. In my 20’s I had them all the time. In my 30’s, not so much. When I was pregnant, none. After I had my baby…every now and again and then slowly as the years passed more and more often. I suffered from severe post-partum depression after my baby was born ( 5 years ago) and was on meds for 2 years. Never suffered from depression in my life before. Have struggled ever since. Also, after I had baby, started eating things I never did before…like mayo, dairy etc. I eat no red meat or pork, have a dairy intolerance, and I am allergic to caffeine, chocolate and tequila/agave.
Since about March I have not been sleeping at night. I just can’t get to sleep. Crazy hours…just all over the board. Raging yeast infections started happening about 1 week before my period would start and either stop when my period started and then start up after it was over. Just felt like I was existing on fumes.
I have a friend whose mom was in town and she is a Bio-set practitioner. She asked me how I was feeling and I said horrible. She immediately started muscle testing me and this is what she said:
My body was not digesting proteins.
I had adrenal fatigue.
I am allergic to my own hormones.
I have no serotonin, GABA and am putting out massive amounts of epinephrine and norepinephrine.
My liver, heart, stomach, small intestines, ovaries, uterus were all in a state of serious distress.
I had toxic amounts of candida in my body, everywhere, to a degree seh has never seen tested before.
She also said for me not to eat any eggs, wheat, gluten, grains any thing fermented or dairy. She also said not to eat any nightshades, legumes,seeds or nuts. She also said I can’t use black pepper, or too much oil in anything I eat. She said no eggs, because recently I had been getting nauseous when I eat them. I LOVE eggs….I have always eaten them with no issues until about 3 months ago…same with gluten, grains and wheat. I never used to eat dairy until I had my baby and then started eating it like crazy and taking lactaid to deal with the symptoms.
She said I needed to start the candida diet immediately. She said I needed to take digestive enzymes because my body was incapable to digesting any proteins at that moment. She also said to take a Cal/Mag supplement and a good Probiotic. She also suggested Vitamin C. She said to take an antifungal of my choice, olive leaf, oregano oil or GFSE or that deuncyleic (sp?) acid one.
I took the olive leaf for two weeks, then the olive leaf and now GFSE.
I have been on the diet for almost 6 weeks now. I have to say, I screwed up at first, because there is so much conflictng info out there and I was kind of on my own as far as figuring it out. The lady who diagnosed me, went back to the East Coast where she lives. We had been emailing back and forth but she kind of said, I can’t really help you since you don’t live here and the questions were too much for her to deal with. I can’t see another practitioner because I am not working and don’t have the money to see one. Which brings me to you guys : )
I am almost at week six and just started getting this yeasty itch…right before my period. I am heartbroken. I thought I was doing so well I have lost 17 pounds,and I have been really careful with what I eat. The only thing I did differently was try some Sweetleaf Vanilla Creme liquid in my water..and I ate some seaweed. I eat only protein ( chicken, turkey and fish) since I can’t have eggs : ( I also eat tuna fish sometimes and I do eat salmon ans shrimp. And veggies…usually spinach, lettuce, cucumbers, zucchini, broccoli, kale, okra, brussel sprouts and asparagus. Lots of lemon juice…lots. I use olive oil or coconut oil to cook with…and salt and a variety of spices that are all on the approved list.
So I am wondering…can I try that coconut bread or the pumpkin muffins? I never recall having a problem with eggs that were cooked into something, just alone like scrambled or an omelet. I am dying for something different. I hate eating hunks of meat or cold salads for breakfast. I see people talking about drinking or cooking with coconut milk…can I do that? I was also wondering if nut milks are ok or not…or even hemp seed milk? My husband tried to take me for sushi the other night and I freaked out because I never thought about uncooked fish on the diet…I mean I love me some sushi, but is that ok on the diet? Is coconut flour, almond meal, and buckwheat ok to use?
As far as how I am feeling….when I started the GFSE I diarrhea pretty bad and my tummy was upset and I felt like total hell. I was only doing ONE drop. Then after about week I upped it to TWO drops and felt like someone had run me over. I could barely move, was nauseous, dizzy, and disoriented. I would fall over when I stood up, run into things etc. I emailed the lady that diagnosed me, and all she said was stop the GFSE…but offered no other advice. So I thought maybe it is not the GFSE…so I tried THREE drops…more of the same. Is it just too much for my body to handle? **Side note- I never did the cleanse per her advice. She said it would be too much for my body to handle because it was so toxic. She said just starting the diet would be enough***
Oh my goodness, this is such a rambling mess….I apologize. I am just so frustrated and bored and lost. I know I am getting better a little at a time. I am sleeping better for sure. I am getting 4-7 hours a night vs. 1-3 two months ago. My husband says my memory is better. I don’t forget things all the time and wander around the house wondering what I was supposed to be doing. My depression is not nearly as heavy. I am on a more even keel, rather than up and down and screaming and crying. I still have days like that, but few and far between. I have been taking Sam-E and it has helped a lot. I just feel like I am low on energy and when I get frustrated about the foods I can eat, I get angry. Not as much as the first two weeks. I used to have raging PMS the week leading up to my period and the period I had after I started the diet, there was NONE. Not even an inkling and it was glorious. My period was the worst one I have ever had, but no PMS. Sorry if that is TMI…..
So I guess I want to know if I am doing things right, and I can I try some different things now that I have been at it for almost 6 weeks. I know it is not that long, but it feels like 12 years. Plus having an almost 5 year old makes it tough to eat…I am constantly wishing I had something to grab and go that I didn’t have to cook before I could eat it. Also, what are your thoughts about the recent yeast issue? Is is just that hormonal thing again or did I really f it up somewhere?
Any advice will be like gold to me. I appreciate you taking the time to slog through this rambling mess! I am just a mama in need of some direction so that I can start to feel like a normal person again. I want to kick the hell out of candida’s rear end so I can live again and feel vibrant and healthy. Please help.
Thank you!!!November 19, 2011 at 6:31 pm #67865
Able900SpectatorTopics: 92Replies: 4811
Quote: “Raging yeast infections started happening about 1 week before my period would start and either stop when my period started and then start up after it was over.”
Reply: The hormone cycle, which changes just before your period, causes the vagina to become more alkalized during this time. If the environment is just right, the alkalizing effect is enough to cause a full yeast infection, sometimes even a Candida infestation.
I noticed you said the person who diagnosed you told you to take digestive enzymes; if you’re taking them now, which type are you taking? For digesting proteins you should purchase a liquid herb called Swedish Bitters. When you receive it, ask me how to take them and I will explain. Do not follow the instructions on the label.
As far as your adrenals are concerned, the Candida protocol will begin to heal your adrenal fatigue as it cures the infestation.
Quote: “I am allergic to my own hormones.”
Reply: This can be easily treated by an HRT specialist.
Quote: “I have no serotonin.”
Reply: I noticed you said you were told to take a probiotic, which one are you taking? Purchase a quality probiotic, a good one is MegaFlora made by MegaFoods. Also purchase a B6 vitamin supplement and take as directed (one of the very few times I’ll recommend a single B vitamin).
Quote: “She also said for me not to eat any eggs, wheat, gluten, grains anything fermented or dairy. She also said not to eat any nightshades, legumes, seeds or nuts. She also said I can’t use black pepper, or too much oil in anything I eat. She said no eggs, because recently I had been getting nauseous when I eat them. I LOVE eggs….I have always eaten them with no issues until about 3 months ago…same with gluten, grains and wheat.”
Reply: The diet you were given doesn’t sound bad. When was the last time you ate eggs? Were they a regular store brand or organic?
Quote: “I eat only protein, chicken, turkey and fish since I can’t have eggs: ( I also eat tuna fish sometimes and I do eat salmon and shrimp.”
Reply: You do eat too much animal protein; way too much if you’re eating as much as you’ve made it sound. How many times a day do you eat animal protein?
Quote: “So I am wondering…can I try that coconut bread or the pumpkin muffins?”
Reply: I would like to see you try the baked goods containing eggs.
Quote: “I see people talking about drinking or cooking with coconut milk…can I do that? I was also wondering if nut milks are ok or not…or even hemp seed milk?”
Reply: Since the seeds are used in the hemp milk, leave this alone for at least two months. Coconut milk can be used in two weeks if you stay strictly on the diet outlined on the following page. You should start as soon as possible.
Quote: “…when I started the GFSE I diarrhea pretty bad and my tummy was upset and I felt like total hell. Then after about week I upped it to TWO drops and felt like someone had run me over. I could barely move, was nauseous, dizzy, and disoriented. I would fall over when I stood up, run into things etc. I emailed the lady that diagnosed me, and all she said was stop the GFSE…but offered no other advice. So I thought maybe it is not the GFSE…so I tried THREE drops…more of the same. Is it just too much for my body to handle?”
Reply: All of the above was due to die-off symptoms from the Candida that were dying because of the GFSE. Die-off can actually make you feel worse than the Candida does.
Quote: “So I guess I want to know if I am doing things right, and I can I try some different things now that I have been at it for almost 6 weeks.”
Reply: Try “some different things” at this early time only if you wish to feed the Candida allowing them to multiply and continue to thrive inside your body.
Quote: “Also, what are your thoughts about the recent yeast issue? Is is just that hormonal thing again or did I really f it up somewhere?”
Reply: This is the Candida symptoms growing worse just before your period because of the hormones which I explained in the beginning of the post.
Quote: “I want to kick the hell out of Candida’s rear end so I can live again and feel vibrant and healthy.”
Reply: Let’s do it.
AbleNovember 19, 2011 at 7:49 pm #67868
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Welcome to the forum chacha.
It sounds like you have had as bad as I have or worse; I know what you are going through and it is only normal. All I can say is that you gotta continue the diet and vitamins/supplements, and you are doing a good job.
After about 6 weeks for me, I still felt pretty awful. I knew I was better but not where I wanted to be. I decided that I needed to give the diet more time and here I am, 5 months into the diet and I am starting to feel almost completely normal!
So give the diet more time…
What is a complete list of the foods you are eating? Are you eating any rice or drinking coffee?
What is the complete list of vitamins/supplements you are taking?
I personally feel that the digestive enzymes are OK since I am taking them myself; I haven’t noticed any negatives about them since I started. A great alternative or complimentary supplement would be the bitters as able suggested.
Do you have any wheat or sugar sensitivy? This can be addressed with the use of glutamine, an optional supplement.
The antifungal symptoms you mentioned sounds pretty normal; it means you are still in the die-off phase. Mine lasted 4 weeks, and some others it has lasted 2 weeks. I think you got it real bad, and thats why you are sensitive to the antifungals. If possible, you should try to slowly increase the amount of GFSE day by day and get up to the mid-20’s in drops. I think that’d be a good goal. If you feel to ill during its use, taking breaks is completely OK. One way to extend the die off period is to eat foods that are not on the allowed foods list, so please tell us your diet.
A great alternative antifungal that may not have nearly as bad die-off symptoms is SF722 undeconoic acid by thorne. This stuff is very effective in treating and fighting candida for a long period of time, and I highly recommend it.
I think at this point you might want to consider trying small amounts of buckwheat (less than 1/2 a cup at a time). The buckwheat flour is great for cooking.
I would also say its safe to have the pumpkin muffin bread or the coconut bread if you can handle eggs. I really like these items and have had no problems with them.
A great way to detox while during the die-off phase is to take a sauna, hot tub, steam room, or even hot bath to release the toxins from you body and skin regularly. You can go up to 6 days a week.
I would not add in the nuts/seeds until phase 2 personally. These contain molds which are tough on the body during the die off phase.
Another great food item to try is chicken sausage. I eat it with buckwheat 1/2 the week.
I would also consider adding kefir or greek yogurt to your diet which will provide natural probiotics; and its pretty tasty!
-RasterNovember 26, 2011 at 4:53 pm #68284
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Hi Able and Raster!
Thank you so much for your replies. I am sorry it has taken me so long to respond. Having a 4 year old keeps me pretty busy!
You asked for a list of the supplements I am taking:
Solaray- Cal?mag Citrate w/ 1000 IU Vitamin D3 2 with each meal
Nordic Naturals- Omega Woman Evening Primrose Oil Blend 2 daily
KAL- Zinc 15+ Chelated 1 daily
Solaray – L-Lysine 500mg 1 daily
KAL- C 500mg Buffered I take anywhere from 2 to 6 tablets a day. Usually 4
Rainbow Light Women’s One- 1 daily
Jarrow Formulas- Jarrow-zymes Vegetarian Plus Acid stable microbial enzymes- 1 capsule with each meal.
Nature Made Odor Control garlic pill 500mg 1 daily.
I also take a probiotic…I think it is called Mega Flora or something like that..50 billion critical care formula. I take one a day.
I also take Carlson Super D Omega 3- 1 tsp daily.
I also take Same-E- 6 tablets a day for my depression.
GFSE- I am up to only 4 drops a day….the die off is outrageous if I go higher. I just can’t be incapacitated like that while caring for a small child. The dizziness makes driving impossible and I have to be able to drive. Not an option to up more than a drop a week for me anyways.
When I am feeling ill, I take Gaia Black Elderberry capsules 2x’s daily.
I am allergic to caffeine, so I don’t drink or eat anything that has it. I have eaten no rice or any grains knowingly, since I started the diet. Nor have I had any dairy.
The woman who tested me said I had a wheat and gluten sensitivity, that is why she advised, no grains, gluten or wheat.
The problem with eating all the protein…is that the vegetables just don’t do it for me. I am starving an hour later. I have sat down an eaten pounds of green beans or broccoli or asparagus or brussel sprouts and I get full and then I am hungry again. Protein is the only thing that gets me from one meal to the next. I have a little one, and I am on the go a lot. I often don’t have time to sit down and eat a full meal. I have to grab and go. That is the most frustrating part of this whole diet. The absolute inability of convenience. I can’t just make a sandwich and go. I can’t just eat a protein bar or an apple and call that a snack. It is infuriating. Walking around with a tupperware full of cooked fish or a can of sardines in my purse sucks ass. Yes, I know, having candida sucks way worse, but honestly, it gets old. I long for the day that I can slice up an apple with some almond butter. and eat with my little one. I have to prepare her meal and then mine. I rarely get to eat with her anymore, since I have to cook my food separately…she is done before I even sit down.
I was super excited to try the coconut bread. I made it, and while is was not the tastiest thing I ever ate, it was awesome to have something “breadlike” in texture. I but some coconut butter on it and it was good. I ate a few slices. My tummy started gurgling and I got a little bit of a stomach ache. Then the next day I had raging diarrhea…for two straight days. It was like I had finally found something I could snack on or eat on the go and it just made me feel awful. The stomach thing was actually tolerable..the diarrhea not so much.
Since I can’t have eggs..apparently, the coconut bread experiment was a bust. The last time I had eaten eggs before that was maybe 5 weeks prior when my hubby tried to make me an egg white omelet. They were not organic..they are from a dairy here locally that claim they are not certified organic but they do everything the way an organic farmer would…without the organic part : ) Perhaps if we tried organic eggs that might be a difference? My father in law was mentioning that this weekend that he used to have issues with eggs until he started eating organic ones. What do you guys think? I am guessing no pumpkin muffins either. I was curious about the almond meal…I thought we weren’t supposed to have nuts?
Here is what I eat typically…
Spinach and lettuce salad with avocado, olive oil, lemon juice, salt, pepper, and salmon or chicken. Sometimes nothing, because I have none cooked.
More of the same.
Applegate Farms Turkey Luchmeat rolled up with lettuce or kale
1 tin of sardines in olive oil (which make me SUPER burpy) with avocado or a salad
Usually protein chicken, turkey or salmon ( sometimes shrimp if I have it or tuna fish) with a ton of veg. Usually brussel sprouts, broccoli, asparagus, green beans, cauliflower, turnips, zucchini, kale or the like. I often eat chicken sausage, but I find it hard to find any that don’t have sugar. I found one, but it has bell peppers, which make me gassy and belchy and generally feel yukky. But I eat them, because sometimes it is all there is. Usually the meat is not organic. We are on a pretty limited budget since I am not working and we live paycheck to paycheck. We try, but often fall way short of that mark.
I only cook with olive oil or coconut oil. I drink only water and sometimes some lemon. I do drink tea, plain. I have either peppermint or chammomile. Sometimes I have echineacea tea if I am feeling under the weather or Tension Tamer by Celestial Seasonings if I am having a crazy day.
I know there was a suggestion to try oat bran, but I wonder if that is a good idea for me?
I know there was a suggestion for greek yogurt too, but before I started the diet I would eat dairy, but have to take a Lactaid in order to deal with the symptoms of eating dairy. Is that something I should try right now?
I didn’t purchase a B6 supplement because my multivitamin already has it…was wondering if that was too much.
I did have stevia ( it was Sweetleaf Vanilla Creme the liquid kind) and the vaginal yeast came back. I think I mentioned that already…I stopped using it, and it went away. It is back now, but I have been supposed to start my period for two weeks now with nothing but some spotting but plenty of itching and some yeasty stuff. WTF? Who do I need to see to fix this? I know you mentioned the alkalized environment..how do I make it not that way? Because it is so frustrating to work so hard and then still have it happen anyway. especially at Thanksgiving with all of the pies and sweet potatoes and gravy and ….ugh. It was absolute torture to sit there eating my grilled chicken ( which was delicious….)and brussel sprouts and mashed turnips and see all of the food I couldn’t eat. I had to go outside and cry for a minute when desserts were served with fresh whipped cream. The whole time I was thinking how much it sucked but how much better off I would be, but then I still have the itching and the period that doesn’t want to come.
I have lost close to 25 pounds. It is starting to worry me. I have gone from a size 14 to almost an 8. I mean, it is great to be so skinny, but I am worried about how healthy it is for me to lose that much weight in such a short time. I needed to lose the weight, but people are starting to make comments and get that worried look on their faces like I am an anorexic or something.
I am feeling better, but it is a slow process.
Is there a reason we can’t eat leftovers? Often my husband will make a large batch of something for me to eat…like turkey meatballs or grill a ton of chicken or wings for me. Granted they only last a few days, but is that bad?
I have been eating a ton of veg since Thanksgiving and have had crazy diarrhea for days….is this die off or just too much fiber?
Ok, I think I have gone on long enough…my little one is standing in front of the computer and blocking my view….
Thank you so much!November 27, 2011 at 3:17 pm #68355
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It is fairly normal to get diarhea for a few weeks after starting the diet; the candida is flooding your body causing havoc. One way to reduce the die off symptoms is to a sauna, hot tub/jacuzzi, steam room, or even a hot bath to sweat out the toxins.
If possible, rotate your diet more so that the candida cannot adapt to your diet. I would eat things like buckwheat, oat bran, quinoa, red/black rice, etc just 1-3x per week. Specifically, it seems that the oat bran is causing a lot of problems with folks on the forum, so it may be best to save it for phase 2.
If you can prepare meals ahead of time, this could help reduce your time crunch problems. For instance, you could make 5 days worth the salad at once and put it in tupperware and bring that around town with you…just an idea. Add in some coconut bread, and thats a meal right there!
Prepare for your weight to normalize to a healthy weight level (your natural weight) as you progress on the diet. Simply adding in more foods could lower the weight loss problems. If you ate 3-4 course meals, this can help tremendously.
If you have any allergies to food, it may be because of leaky gut. This can be treated by using the bitters. The rest of your supplements seem OK, I just would maybe add in the SF722…I would keep up the probiotic for months, maybe just change the brands a few times! Next time you get vitamin C, I would get one with bioflavanoids which have properties to heal the body. I would keep up the GFSE and slowly increase the dose over a period of weeks. It likely will become ineffective at some point, and so you will want to rotate with another antifungal such as SF722.
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