Kefir

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    Katy Gillett
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    Hi all – how’s it going?

    Able – I finally got my kefir starter kit but I noticed on the label it says it contains glucose. Can I go ahead and make it?

    Hope you’re well.

    Best wishes, Katy

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    Able900
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    Katy Gillett wrote: Hi all – how’s it going?
    Able – I finally got my kefir starter kit but I noticed on the label it says it contains glucose. Can I go ahead and make it? Hope you’re well.

    Hi, Katy. Good to see you again. I’m fine, hope you are as well.

    Just like yogurt, kefir needs a certain amount of sugar for the process to complete. The longer you allow it to ferment, the less sugar will remain in the end product. This means that you can allow it to ferment a bit longer than the instructions call for.

    Able

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    Katy Gillett
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    So far I’ve left it fermenting for 20 hours.. the label says 18-24 hours. At the moment its runny and lumpy and the label says it should be ‘pourable but not thick with a distinctive sour fragrance’. it certainly does have a sour fragrance about it!

    So what is the consistency meant to be like in more real terms Able? Does mine sound about right?

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    Able900
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    How’s life, Katy?

    The consistency is said to be very similar to thin yogurt, but most of the time mine is a quite ‘runny’ with small lumps which I crush and mix with the liquid. Definitely drinkable instead of spoonable (spoonable isn’t a word, can you believe that?).

    The taste; now that’s difficult to describe since it’s unlike anything else I’ve ever tasted. Yogurt? No, although some say it’s similar to plain, unsweetened yogurt, but it isn’t to me because I don’t like the taste of plain yogurt at all, and always eat it with something else mixed with it such as coconut cream, but I can drink kefir alone. Some say it has a sour taste; I call it closer to very tangy with a smidgen of sour mixed in.

    Tips:
    You should use a glass container. A canning jar is best, when you open it the first time, if it’s fermented correctly the inner cover will be sealed tight.
    Use only wooden spoons to stir it.

    A great dish is to take about a half cup of kefir, add Truvia or Raw Stevia to taste, then add a few tablespoons of cream of coconut or coconut manna (also known as coconut butter) and stir very well. The butter and cream are basically the very same, as far as what it’s called I suppose depends on the brand that it’s made by. The coconut manna will cause it to thicken, and this will settle anyone’s taste for something sweet. In fact, Katy, I hate to tell you but, it’s quite addictive (coconut bread anyone?)

    Able

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    raster
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    Thanks for sharing your kefir dish able, this sounds like an interesting thing to try.

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    Katy Gillett
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    Haha oh dear! Just what I need… something else addictive heh. At least there are some joys on the diet :).

    For some reason I wasn’t alerted to this post.. I’ve been stirring with a metal spoon :S. Is that a really bad thing? Why is it that you can only stir with a wooden spoon?

    Another couple of questions I had about kefir – do you also have to drink it in between meals? And/or can I drink it at the same time I take my probiotic?

    By the way for some unknown reason stevia isn’t allowed to be sold here in the UK and haven’t seen truvia at all (is this a brand using stevia?)… I’m using xylitol and I just wanted to double check that this is ok?

    How do you think xylitol and carob powder would go down? Chocolate milk maybe? haha

    Hope you’re well! You too raster

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    Katy Gillett
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    Sorry just to clarify (though I’m sure you don’t need it) ‘How do you think xylitol and carob powder MIXED WITH KEFIR would go down’ haha tut

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    Able900
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    Hi, Katy.

    Quote: For some reason I wasn’t alerted to this post.. I’ve been stirring with a metal spoon :S. Is that a really bad thing? Why is it that you can only stir with a wooden spoon?

    Reply: Actually I should have clarified that further. The general reason is that, considering the acidity of kefir, a reactive metal has the potential of leaching into the kefir itself. But if you have pure surgical stainless steel utensils and pots, then they’re fine because surgical stainless steel is pore-less.

    Quote: Another couple of questions I had about kefir – do you also have to drink it in between meals? And/or can I drink it at the same time I take my probiotic?

    Reply: A lot of people, when they have kefir for the first time, experience bloating, diarrhea, stomach pains, or other stomach problems. This normally just means that it’s the ‘read deal’ and full of beneficial bacteria, that is, unless it’s spoiled of course. So, just as you do with a good probiotic, you should start with a small amount, perhaps 3 ounces on an empty stomach. Every other day you could increase the amount until you reach the amount you wish to have as a serving.
    I don’t think I’d have it with the probiotic the first few times drinking it, wait until you’re more accustomed to its powerful bacteria properties.

    Quote: By the way for some unknown reason stevia isn’t allowed to be sold here in the UK and haven’t seen truvia at all (is this a brand using stevia?)… I’m using xylitol and I just wanted to double check that this is ok?

    Reply: Actually I had read that, but forgot all about it. Xylitol is fine. I just don’t use it because it’s less sweet than Stevia or Truvia which only means you have to use more to obtain the same degree of sweetness. You’re right, Truvia is a stevia-based sweetener.
    As far as it being banned in the UK and Europe in general is concerned; one strange reason I read about was that it didn’t have clearance to be marketed to the public because it’s a high intensity sweetener, some claims say it’s 250-300 times sweeter than sucrose. Another reason given is that high doses and long term use “potentially has the potential” of causing genetic mutation.

    Quote: How do you think xylitol and carob powder MIXED WITH KEFIR would go down?

    Reply: I have to say, Katy, I really have no idea, although for some reason I imagine it being similar to chocolate buttermilk … yuck?
    Believe it or not, I’ve never tasted carob powder, just not a chocolate fan.

    I hope you guys are experiencing the beautiful fall weather in the UK like some of us here in the states are. October is the ultimate perfect time for outdoor activities in our area, not to mention enjoying the multi-colored scenery.

    Able

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    Katy Gillett
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    Hi Able,

    Thanks for all that. You’re lucky you’re not a chocolate fan! I’ve got to say kefir with carob powder and xylitol is actually quite delicious! Not as delicious as the coconut bread though haha.

    I did feel a bit bloated the first time I had the kefir but I’m fine with it now. I have been feeling a bit worse these last couple of days though so I’m hoping its me getting used to the kefir and not a problem with the milk I’m using. Time will tell I guess.

    I wanted to ask you something.. I found a probiotic which contains: B. bifidum, L. acidophilus, L. rhamnosus, L. plantarum, B. breve and B. longum, L. casei, L. lactis, L. bulgaricus, L. salivarius, Rice Maltodextrin, Fructooligosaccharides (FOS), Magnesium Stearate, Vegetable Cellulose (capsule shell)

    I was a bit concerned about the rice maltodextrin – should I stay away from it?

    The weather over here has been beautiful but there’s been the odd freezing day. I’ve had a good time stocking up on winter clothes though :). New for me after living in boiling Bahrain. I bet the states is wonderful right now! I do actually plan to move over there at some point too 🙂

    #66447

    Katy Gillett
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    Hey Able,

    Further to my previous post – I’ve found this probiotic with 14 strains of bacteria in it.

    What do you think? http://www.protexin.com/products/bio-kult-60-capsules/18

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    monita
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    Hi Katy,

    I had no idea that stevia was banned in the UK. I live in Scotland and just purchased Stevia through Amazon a few weeks ago. Added it to the basic coconut bread recipe for a ‘sweet’ thing to eat. It was quite good. Xylitol is widely available though and is kind to teeth. I just got stevia because I read that it helped to kill off candida too.

    Hope your getting on OK. 🙂

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    Able900
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    Hi ya, Katy.

    Bio-Kult is fine as far as the number of strains, and if you want a count of only 2 billion microorganisms per capsule. Sorry, just not enough to really do anything.

    So have you tried the kefir yet? How is it? My dad (who loves buttermilk) has to have a big glass full everytime he comes to my place, and says, “It’s better than buttermilk” …. but, what isn’t?

    Able

    #66529

    Katy Gillett
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    Hi Able,

    I thought as much! How about this one? : http://www.amazon.co.uk/HealthAid-ImmuProbio-50-billion-Vegicaps/dp/B002QWBSZ6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1319727615&sr=8-5

    I have tried kefir and I do like it. It goes very well with carob powder and xylitol. A bit of a treat in the evenings :).

    I’ve ordered the Megaflora from America but I run out of probiotics today and those won’t come for a couple of weeks perhaps so I’m looking for a replacement in the mean time that isn’t as expensive as the ultimate care one.

    So at the moment I’m on 12-15 tsps of coconut oil and 13 drops of oregano oil. I seem to remember you saying something about when I get to 16 drops of oregano oil.. should I watch out?

    Is there anything else I can be doing in the mean time? I still get health issues popping up all over the place and its driving me crazy after all I’ve been doing. I’m taking plenty of vitamin d now. Though not taking zinc and magnesium in the past few days as I ran out. Could that be a problem?

    Haha I agree with your dad on that one!

    Katy

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    Able900
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    Quote: I thought as much! How about this one? : http://www.amazon.co.uk/…d=1319727615&sr=8-5

    Reply: This one is ok. Keep in mind that if you have kefir at least twice a day, not taking the MegaFlora for a while won’t matter that much, especially if you have the kefir twice a day.

    Quote: I have tried kefir and I do like it. It goes very well with carob powder and xylitol. A bit of a treat in the evenings :).

    Reply: That’s great, a healthy treat.

    Quote: So at the moment I’m on 12-15 tsps of coconut oil and 13 drops of oregano oil. I seem to remember you saying something about when I get to 16 drops of oregano oil.. should I watch out?

    Reply: Actually, since you’ve started drinking kefir, you could keep the amount at the present dosage.

    Quote: Is there anything else I can be doing in the mean time? I still get health issues popping up all over the place and its driving me crazy after all I’ve been doing. I’m taking plenty of vitamin d now. Though not taking zinc and magnesium in the past few days as I ran out. Could that be a problem?

    Reply: The only possible problem would be if you’re still taking calcium without the magnesium, which would make it possible to have bad constipation.

    Able

    #66538

    Katy Gillett
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    Haha oh no! I JUST ordered some more Ultimate Flora 50 billion tablets. Though I found some for £4 less on the same site! Cheeky monkeys.

    Oh well, more probiotics can’t hurt. I could even save them for when I run out of the Mega Flora. Actually – If I’m taking the kefir twice a day is it ok for me to take just one capsule of the Ultimate Flora? That way they last longer and cost less :).

    I just ordered a supplement with vit d, calcium, magnesium and zinc as well so that should arrive in a couple of days. (http://www.discountvitaminsandherbs.com/search/19492.htm)

    Thanks for the help as always Able :). Hope you’re having a good weekend. The lake is it?

    Katy

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