Is water Kefir allowed on a Candida diet?

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    Faye
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    Hi guys, I was wondering if water kefir is allowed on a Candida diet.. I’m making my own milk kefir out of live grains, but have heard that water kefir is also really good & has different strains & probiotics that the milk one. I wanted to take that in addition to the milk one, to up my probiotic intake, as store bought probiotics here in Italy have max 2 billion per capsule & not 30 billion as Lisa recommends. My only concern though is the sugar, as the water kefir feeds on sugar, I read online that the kefir transforms the sugar & ferments it all, is that so? Do you guys know anything more about it? Txs alot!

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    Able900
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    Hello, Faye.

    Yes, water kefir is part of the forum’s Protocol if anyone wishes to use it.

    Able

    #102341

    Faye
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    Txs Able!
    Could I please have a copy of the list of your diet, cuz from my understanding it’s different than Lisa’s.
    Txs aton!

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    Able900
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    Faye;40844 wrote: Txs Able!
    Could I please have a copy of the list of your diet, cuz from my understanding it’s different than Lisa’s. Txs aton!

    Check your inbox on the forum, Faye.

    #102353

    Faye
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    Txs Able!
    So from my understanding organic Millet milk is not allowed right? Cuz I’ve been cooking my organic oat bran in it & adding coconut every morning for breakfast.
    Please let me know txs!

    #102376

    jameskep
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    Faye you might be wasting your $$ with water kefir. Water kefir+kombuchu can have a mild alcoholic taste for a reason. Notice in this link the number of candida strains in kefir. Looks like a possibility of 11 candida strains. Hence— why some people have a bad reaction with water kefir.

    http://www.culturesforhealth.com/milk-kefir-grains-composition-bacteria-yeast

    Milk kefir might be a better choice than water kefir because lactose is more designed for bacteria than yeast.

    I really don’t think the strains in kefir colonize because they don’t really match what’s in the human gut. The ratio of yeast to bacteria in kefir does not match very well with the human gut. I don’t think people are understanding that concept. Why would someone consume a beverage that has a 49% yeast to 51% bacteria ratio when the human gut is “mostly bacteria”.

    Good summary of gut flora:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora

    #102378

    Faye
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    Hi Jameskep, txs for answering!
    So you heard that water kefir is bad for Candida sufferers? I read the probiotics & strains of Kefir, both the milk & water one, & saw that the water one had candida yeast strains, but isn’t Candida yeast good? It’s once it turns into fungus that it’s bad? Please let me know, cuz I wouldn’t wanna take something that’ll hinder my progress. Txs a lot!

    #102441

    jameskep
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    Candida yeast in the right proportion is not harmful. But for someone who has yeast overgrowth They are better taking a probiotic or fermented food that produces more good bacteria than yeast.
    Again, the strains in kefir don’t really match up with the human gut very well. I think the people that are receiving some benefits from kefir are probably more from the milk kefir and are getting benefits from the beneficial acids metabolized from the milk rather than the actual strains. The gut is mostly bacteria so its best take supps/fermented foods that mostly resemble that kind of environment.

    #102465

    Faye
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    Txs will look into it more! 🙂

    #102472

    mygutleaks
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    at first I wasn’t sure, but I think water kefir is very beneficial, not harmful. I am now drinking 1 to 2 quarts per day and most days I am no longer taking a probiotic. From my research, kefir has way more probiotic count than the capsules, at a fraction of the cost.

    Just make sure it’s brewed long enough. it shouldn’t taste that great. but also it shouldn’t taste too alcoholic. more like sweet tea gone bad. maintain the ratios – 4 tbl sugar, 4 cups water, 4 tbl of grains (tbl = tablespoons) x 48/hours brewing. it doesn’t contain candida albicans, just other species of candida and beneficial yeasts. I’m not sure the below list is totally accurate, because I know I react very badly to S. Boulardii, as well as Kombucha, which contains S Boulardii. But I am fine with water kefir (except in the beginning when I drank too much and had horrible die-off with a very high fever, so go slow if you are new to it)

    Strains of bacteria and yeast found in Kefir Grains (and kefir itself):

    Water kefir is typically composed of Lactobacillus, Streptococcus, Pediococcus and Leuconostoc bacteria with yeasts from Saccharomyces, Candida, Kloeckera and possibly other minor yeasts.

    Bacteria

    Species Lactobacillus
    L. acidophilus
    L. alactosus
    L. brevis
    L. bulgaricus
    L. casei subsp. casei
    L. casei subsp. pseudoplantarum
    L. casei subsp. rhamnosus
    L. casei subsp. tolerans
    L. coryneformis subsp. torquens
    L. fructosus
    L. hilgardii
    L. homohiochi
    L. plantarum
    L. psuedoplantarum
    L. reuterietc
    L. yamanashiensis

    Species Streptococcus
    S. agalactiae
    Sr. bovis
    S. cremeris
    S. faecalis
    S. lactis
    S. mutans
    S. pneumoniae
    S. pyogenes
    S. salivarius
    S. sanguinis
    S. suis
    S. viridans

    Species Pediococcus
    P. damnosus

    Species Leuconostoc
    L. mesenteroides

    Species Bacillus
    B. subtilis
    B. graveolus

    YEASTS

    Species Saccharomyces
    S. bayanus
    S. boullardii
    S. cerevisiae
    S. florentinus
    S. pretoriensis
    S. uvarum

    Species Kloeckera
    K. apiculata

    Species Hansenula
    H. yalbensis

    Species Candida
    C. gueretana
    C. lamica
    C. valida
    *does not contain C. albicans – the yeast associated with human yeast infections and ‘candida’ in
    general

    Species Torulopsis
    T. insconspicna
    *does not contain T. glabrata, also associated with yeast infections and ‘candida’

    http://www.yemoos.com/waterkefirstrains.html

    #102562

    Faye
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    Txs alot mygutleaks, I guess I’ll try it & see how my body reacts to it… I had already seen that list from yemoos before but wasn’t sure if it was accurate or not!

    #102578

    mygutleaks
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    no prob! I am fine with water kefir, but not milk kefir, or other fermented foods. I’ve tried kombucha, fermented veggies, s boulardii. all seem to bother me. water kefir also keeps me from getting colds. I used to get them constantly, now can’t remember the last time.

    #102603

    SomeDay
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    I loved water kefir, so fuzzy and sweet taste. I even did enemas with it o_O Anyway, the probiotic effects of goat milk kefir were much more pronounced (going to the bathroom with almost normal stools and “good” gurgling noises in the gut). Plus, I learned its packed with fructose and some people say that isnt healthy, eventually I stopped using it. All on all, super cheap and very good tasting. Homemade sauerkraut also has an strong probiotic effect for me. Everyone its different, try everything and see what agrees with your stomach 🙂

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