- November 28, 2011 at 5:42 am #68399
Hey everyone~ Im new here and new to the horror-story that is candida.
Im 23 and, without knowing fully what a yeast infection was, have had it for nearly 3 years on-going. I believe I developed it from having unprotected sex with someone and contracting high-risk HPV(irresponsible and stupid, yes I know. Im paying for it and thanking god it wasnt much worse [not like cervical cancer is the better choice to most things…]), which naturally sent my body astray with all the paps and tests and the cryofreezing procedure (not to mention how much of an emotional wreck I was). The first year my doctor informed me there wasnt enough yeast to constitute an infection so they ruled it out- even though I had every symptom except for the yeast. Oh lord, the itching was nearly unbearable. I concluded since there was no yeast, it had to be the HPV, but all my doctors assure me that that isnt a side effect of it. So all plausible causes cancelled I ended up purchasing a cream called Balneol to help with the itching, it did for a short while, but I’d need to bathe in it to feel a semblance of “normal” again :< So I further concluded that I was simply broken. Through-out all of this, I continued to have unprotected sex with that person, and the one thing that always came up was how "raw" it made him. After reading Able's post about body pH, I think my vagina was trying to fend off the infection by increasing the acidic levels? Pretty cool imo, if that's what it was doing. Second year, my new doctor prescribed me a week’s worth of antibiotics and an insert-cream. Candida came back a weak later with more apparent vaginitis symptoms, however the antibiotics seemed to have “cured” the possible high acidic levels… which now that I think about it, probably caused the vaginitis symptoms that was keeping the discharge at bay. 😐 I did nothing about it, as I figured it would go away on its own eventually since, well, I did take the medication? I was also very depressed at the time and have never been very in-tune with my body- but I never ate poorly. I drank alcohol once a year [creme de menthe on christmas], I dont smoke, and Ive always been repelled by fastfood. Soda was my only enemy, but I drank as much soda as I did black tea and laughed at all decaf beverages (I like to stay awake… a lot. Recently I can never get enough sleep and I faceplant my desk very often trying to focus on work :< but I havent touched an energy drink in a long time, soda has been a "treat" once a month for 2 years, yay!) But still, I couldnt force myself to read up on or understand Candida until year 3. On the third year I developed full-blown vaginitis. We tried the cream again, nothing. When it got _really_ bad, he prescribed me the 24(or 12?) hour pill… which also failed and thus began my adventure of looking for alternative methods. Like peeling and slitting a piece of garlic and inserting it overnight 😐 which doesnt work, in case anyone was curious. I thought about using yogurt.. but I’d rather eat it. I became a nervous wreck and 2 weeks after my period I began seeing blood in the discharge (black spotting sort of blood). This sent me into a chaotic state and I started wondering if perhaps the candida went systemic? Would I need to see a gastrointestinal specialists? If its in my blood stream, do I need to see an infectious disease specialist? Turned out, my period just came early (but honestly none of my friends or anyone I can think of has spotted a whole week like it was the end of their period!) A lot of talks with the other half I went a step more serious and natural in my control of candida.
Thus I discovered the Candida Diet I confronted my doctor about it and he disregards any notion that the flora in the intestine is the cause of vaginitis. I dont like to argue with people 40+ years my senior or with a PH D in vaginas, but I thought it was pretty biased and ignorant for him to pass it off so quickly and be happy to offer me another prescription. He’s a nice guy, Ill go back for my pap, but I do believe Im going to leave all doctors out of my personal Candida crisis space.
So here I am! I found a blog: http://middleearthhome.com/health/candida-experiment/ that, after a month of trying this diet, has highly encouraged me to make my own. Its a wonder how much more anal about my intake I’ve become just writing down my daily food log. Its also nice to see someone’s daily adventures in this, gives me hope. I’ve decided to restart myself with the diet. I found this website about a week ago, her journal 3 days ago… and it clicked to read the forums! and Im sure this is going to be it! Total soldier through this, ladies(and gentlemen)!
So I come bearing a few questions: (some deleted due to being answered! hehe, they were kind of ignorant anyway after catching up on the forum’s diet low-down.)
Has anyone took or is taking Candida Clear? Im a poverty-stricken art student with (as mentioned) a lot of medical bills (recently diagnosed with Degenerative Disc Disease and Im sure the 2 epidurals in a month arnt helping stress levels of mind and body.) So Im triyng to limit the $20-$50 nutritional tablets in favor of rent. The other capsule Im taking is Acidophilus <3 which unquestionably helps. With these two I think I have a strong fight against the candida. But what are your opinions?
Last but not least, instead of using the detox specified on this website, my friend referred me to: https://www.herbdoc.com Dr. Schulze’s 5-Day Detox program. They swear by it, so I’ve started it. I want to say Im experienceing “die-off” symptoms, but I dont want to jinx myself before I know. Having just finished another menstrual cycle, Im waiting to see if the vaginitis is still around–
–Which brings me to my ultimate question: how do you know when you’re clear? Will the vaginitis suddenly disappear? do I need more cream to finish it off in there? I was thinking I was going to use the state of it’s severity as an indicator to how well my bodys fighting the candida in my gut. Anyone else have other methods?
ps: this diet isnt so bad. I gripe a lot about missing cookies, pancakes (buckwheat tastes like ass), frenchtoast, and toast with jam. But I do believe Im going to continue to eat like this 4/7 days of the week… but Im fantasizing here, I have months ahead of me. To be sure though, the first meal Im going to have when I decide Im safe enough to eat normal food… is a giant stack of pancakes swimming in maple syrup 😐 /probiotics scream in horrorNovember 28, 2011 at 12:32 pm #68412
Please tell us all of your vitamins/supplements and your diet.
Rice milk is not on the allowed food lists because it is highly inflammatory and contains starch, sugar. Rice is not allowed on the diet period unless you occasionally eat red/black rice. Dairy, even in small amounts, is not recommended.
Please refer to the protocol for a good general plan:
If you have had any prior antibiotic use in your lifetime, this and your diet/lifestyle are the most likely causes on your candida overgrowth.
-RasterNovember 28, 2011 at 3:33 pm #68431
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Candida Clear contains rice flour and gum Arabic, both of which can sustain Candida albicans.
Dr. Schulze’s detox looks ok, but it’s 28-bucks a bottle (if that’s what you’re talking about). If you’re looking to save money, there’s a simple and much cheaper detox protocol that many of the members have used, if you’d like to have a look it’s on the following website.
The cheapest and best-for-the-money antifungal is raw or cooked garlic, lots of it (by the way, I’m talking about eating it).
Quote: Which brings me to my ultimate question: how do you know when you’re clear? Will the vaginitis suddenly disappear? do I need another cream or pill to finish it off in there? I was thinking I was going to use the state of it’s severity as an indicator to how well my bodys fighting the candida in my gut. Anyone else have other methods?
Reply: There is no one, big answer to this. With most people they go along as normal until one day down the road they suddenly realize it’s been ‘forever’ since they’ve experienced even a tiny symptom of Candida, and bingo, the light bulb finally goes on.
AbleNovember 28, 2011 at 4:28 pm #68432
raster wrote: Please tell us all of your vitamins/supplements and your diet.
Glucosamine (for my back)
Twin Lab’s Daily One Caps
Ive stopped taking them the last 2 days since Ive started my detox, I didnt want to flush them with everything else. Bad idea?
LOTS of water, attempted 3x daily Apple Cider Vinegar, the occasional Emergen-C 1kmg Vitamin C powder packs, Paud’arco and Spearmint. Would it be ok to continue to drink the Chai yerba mate with plain Almond milk instead of rice?
Candida Clear – I was ordering a bottle of Caprylic acid (after reading that Forum’s Protocol post) when I discovered it… so I found it for half off and bought 2 last night, before I knew this information about rice. Seems weird they’d make a bottle just-for without fully studying the rice? I’ve grown up of the mindset that if it says its for x,y,z then its safe for x,y,z. I find it hard to believe they wouldnt study an illness to its fullest and end up prescribing something that sustains it :< My diet (before I began trying to follow the site’s guidelines) mostly consisted of noodles, cheese, few fruits and veg, and mostly bread/tuna/jam/meat and cheese. Current diet: I have no daily regimen since I have a sinking suspicion my lethargia and need to sleep for 12 hours (literally) is due to the overgrowth and lack of nutrients.
Breakfast: eggs over easy ontop of spinach with self-made turkey sausage (turkey patties really) and occasionally plain yogurt (whole or half tub).
Snacks: Cucumbers, Tomatoes, celery (with Lara Scudder’s peanutbutter- I read afterward all nuts contain mold 🙁 so I havent eaten it in a week.), boiled eggs, avacados. Before I knew fish were ruled out avacados, mayo, and tuna combinations for a more ‘hearty’ meal. Ive been eating Cascade Fresh’s plain 2lb yogurt containers at least once a day for a month before I started the diet. Im not eating them as much anymore with 2,3 or even a week’s span between purchasing a tub, but I definitely would like to continue pounding it back if I could. And the occasional sweet potatoe with butter.
Dinners: Trying to follow the recipes listed for Dinners on the site, but Im branching out and making my own recently. Turkey pasta was one, beef wrapped asparagus, steak marinated in olive oil, herbs, and garlic (cooked in onions and ginger), lots of quinoa and brown rice. I was eating beans the first few weeks (thanks to another website saying I could) for more protein with the brown rice, but Ive cut them out in the last 2 weeks after discovering this site. Carrots more recently since a previous website didnt recommend them (tried replacing them with parsnips, but as I read.. parsnips are a starch, and so they’ve been cut out.) I tried making mashed turnips, but.. they tasted pretty bad and cutting them into squares is a bitch, so I think Im eliminating that side from the menu. Thats about it, combinations of veggie broth + quinoa, rice, steamed artichokes, broccoli, asparagus, snowpeas(sauteed in butter occasionally), sweet peppers, and squash.
Its hard to stick to so few foods when my other half eats whatever he wants, AND a lot of sweets, he’s not adjusting very well to my new diet recipes so we’re having to buy to sets of diets and me cooking 2 different sides to accommodate his needs :<
raster wrote: Rice milk is not on the allowed food lists because it is highly inflammatory and contains starch, sugar.
Able900 wrote: Candida Clear contains rice flour and gum Arabic, both of which can sustain Candida albicans.
Well, fiddlesticks 😐 Ive only began using it because I was looking for “candida safe desserts” for Thanksgiving, of which the only “safe” flour my store had was almond or rice… I chose rice. There goes that.
Ive been hardpress to follow any one website’s protocol exactly since a lot of them say different things about whats edible and whats not. Helps to hear reaffirmation though, guess I had my one night semi-latte for awhile.
Able900 wrote: Dr. Schulze’s detox looks ok, but it’s 28-bucks a bottle
The detox I bought is the $60 5-Day program (which actually extends to about 10 days). I didnt want to go with a cheaper choice during the cleanse, but something heard-of guaranteed to clear your system. Im starting the liver detox today as well.
Able900 wrote: The cheapest and best-for-the-money antifungal is raw or cooked garlic, lots of it (by the way, I’m talking about eating it).
Yes! I’ve been eating them, big cloves that burn like shit haha. I read the part of antifungals in the protocol, is garlic one of the ones you have to stop and rotate with or just the listed capsules?
Able900 wrote: There is no one, big answer to this. With most people they go along as normal until one day down the road they suddenly realize it’s been ‘forever’ since they’ve experienced even a tiny symptom of Candida, and bingo, the light bulb finally goes on.
I see, guess Ill be stuck to this diet a while. I read on one site you have to stick to the diet for as many years as you’ve had the yeast infection… in my case 3, so that means 3 months. I dearly hope I wont have to deal with a discharge that much longer (sorry I know tmi) but its such a stress booster and self-esteem kick when you have to pee /sigh. Thank you though, Ill keep my hopes up and think more positive. Out of sight out of mind- full focus on getting well!November 28, 2011 at 5:10 pm #68433
Stick to the foods allowed list:
As you can see, tomatoes are not included, nor is beef. Beef/pork can cause a bunch of ammonia production, so this is to be avoided if possible. Tomatoes have sugar and should be eaten sparingly.
I would avoid the peanut butter and switch to fresh almond butter during phase 2 (don’t worry about this yet).
If you were to eat greek yogurt, this would be OK, it contains probiotics and less sugar than all other yogurts. You should do this 2 weeks into phase 1 of the diet after the cleanse. Kefir is also a way more effective alternative (contains way more probiotic). Try to keep your daily sugar intake to below 25g.
Brown rice is also not on the list because it is inflammatory, contains starch, and low amounts of sugar. If you were to switch to buckwheat, this would be a very good alternative. Also, red/black rice may be OK (give it a test). If you were to rotate between buckwheat, black/red rice, and quinoa as a side dish, the candida won’t be able to adapt very well to the diet.
Carrots contain sugar and should be used sparingly if possible.
As far as the veggies, my only other concern would be starch content. A great website to look up some info on your foods is here:
Seafood is allowed, and it would be best to rotate between it and chicken (or turkey).
Flours you can use for cooking include coconut flour, almond meal, buckwheat flour, and teff flour. Oat bran would also be OK if you eat it once every 3 days or so (not too often).
I am wondering what billion count your probiotic contains? If its like 1-10 billion, I would upgrade to a much higher count when this bottle is up. Megaflora contains 14 different strains at a 50 billion count and HMF Neuro contains 12.5 billion (5 strains) and contains human micro flora. The probiotics are the single most important thing you will need for your recovery.
You will also want to take different vitamins. The multivitamin contains soy and glucose, which will benefit the candida. I would check out this post for other good ideas:
I take vitamin C (with bioflavanoids), mg/calcium/zinc, and vitamin D is very important (cod liver oil) to reduce inflammation. You can take it even further if you want to…but the multivitamin isn’t giving you the proper ratio/amount of vitamins you need to get over candida.
Good luck and hope this helps!
-RasterNovember 28, 2011 at 8:34 pm #68441
raster wrote: Beef/pork can cause a bunch of ammonia production, so this is to be avoided if possible. Tomatoes have sugar and should be eaten sparingly.
I only eat beef maybe 4 or less times a month. Its hard to eat only chicken for too long, especially when you have to share your meals with someone not on the diet :
raster wrote: I would avoid the peanut butter and switch to fresh almond butter during phase 2 (don’t worry about this yet).
Yes’em, I was actually considering buying: http://www.almondie.com/paypal/default.aspx since all the xbutter in my market contains sugar of some kind. However after purchasing a $55 bottle of Megaflora ( thanks for that <3 my old bottle only had 1 billion, this new one has 20!) it'll have to wait. good thing its in stage 2, cravings for a butter is pretty much all over the place.
raster wrote: If you were to eat greek yogurt, this would be OK, it contains probiotics and less sugar than all other yogurts. … Try to keep your daily sugar intake to below 25g.
Thanks for the specification of intake. I did notice on the back of my Cascade Fresh plain yogurt it was somewhere in the teens of sugar. I thought since yogurt was said to be really good for this, I could just ea tub a day 😐 I’ll switch to greek and keep it at a minimum, those vitamins should help a lot.
raster wrote: Brown rice is also not on the list because it is inflammatory, contains starch, and low amounts of sugar. If you were to switch to buckwheat, this would be a very good alternative. Also, red/black rice may be OK.
Carrots contain sugar and should be used sparingly if possible.
🙁 why doesnt someone just update the website? Is the owner active on the forums? (just curious since the website is the first [and generally only] thing people first look at instead of the forums) Ill nix it asap and feed the rest to the bf. Hopefully my market has other types of rice.
thank you for all the vitamin tips! Ill try and save up for the important ones- which seem like D, A, and E. Appreciated!November 28, 2011 at 10:52 pm #68453
Sounds like you got the diet and plan more squared away…glad you can learn from my mistakes!
At my local health food store, we have this peanut butter making machine, where you press a button and fresh almond butter is made immediately until you press the button again. If you can find a store that has this near you, it would be better than getting any stored(old) almond butter. Additionally, you can make it at home if you just mash up a bunch of almonds. However, if you do this, it’d be best to soak the almonds first (to remove molds) for a few hours beforehand. I couldn’t handle almond butter until stage 2 because I had leaky gut real real bad.
My only other recommendation is to get some SF722 undecenoic acid by thorne research (in a month or two). This is a highly effective antifungal that works better than most other antifungals for a long period of time. Candida can adapt to any antifungal, but not very well to SF722.
Eating beef sparingly is OK, try to keep it to the minimum. It certainly is better than every day or a few times per week. You will potentially notice any bad effects of it in time though.
-RasterNovember 29, 2011 at 3:26 am #68562
raster wrote: Sounds like you got the diet and plan more squared away…glad you can learn from my mistakes!
haha yeah, mine too! 😀 this forum is awesome, Im not alone!
raster wrote: At my local health food store, we have this peanut butter making machine, where you press a button and fresh almond butter is made immediately until you press the button again. If you can find a store that has this near you, it would be better than getting any stored(old) almond butter. Additionally, you can make it at home if you just mash up a bunch of almonds. However, if you do this, it’d be best to soak the almonds first (to remove molds) for a few hours beforehand. I couldn’t handle almond butter until stage 2 because I had leaky gut real real bad.
Ill have to look up why soaking removes molds (I generally figure moist/water = more mold). Unfortunately, no machine. I just moved to LA and its hard getting around from where I live, so I really wouldnt want to waste the gas on a store that has one (but it would be totally awesome if the one near me had it!)
raster wrote: My only other recommendation is to get some SF722 undecenoic acid by thorne research (in a month or two). This is a highly effective antifungal that works better than most other antifungals for a long period of time. Candida can adapt to any antifungal, but not very well to SF722.
I’ll make a note of it! Do you know how often I should alternate garlic cloves out of my diet? Ive been eating them once a day for a couple weeks.
raster wrote: Eating beef sparingly is OK, try to keep it to the minimum. It certainly is better than every day or a few times per week. You will potentially notice any bad effects of it in time though.
Thats unfortunate, I love beef, and unfortunately will be eating it 3x his week due to a beef stroganoff recipe I found and bought meat for days ago, but will have to prepare it tomorrow 🙁 the most unfortunate part about my situation is being in a relationship and being too poor to afford two separate diets! aruugh. but from now on, I think I will just cut beef out- maybe once a month- and alternate between turkey, chicken, and lamb.
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