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    Cheesey
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    I am curious whether any of you think part of your issues might be to do with heavy metals? I ask as I have been looking at a few articles on the Weston A Price Foundation website and also on Dr Lawrence Wilson’s website, and it appears that metal toxicity, especially copper toxicity, is incredibly common and difficult to address.

    It does seem, however, that die-off can also be due to bio-unavailable metals being released into the blood stream when you start on a diet that is similar to the candida diet. This is all part of a detox process and creates essentially the same die-off effects as candida.

    I’m just trying to fathom why I’m still so fatigued. Other than taking probiotics and drinking kefir I’m really not doing anything in particular to kill candida other than cooking with coconut oil, eating brussels sprouts and drinking peppermint tea. At the moment I’m working on the theory that candida is just part of an adrenal/metal/parasite problem (if adrenal fatigue is a real thing, my adrenal glands are almost certainly up shit creek without a paddle due to 4 to 5 years of an intense anxiety disorder preceded by years of drug abuse).

    Fortunately the remedy to these problems is usually quite consistent (i.e. vegetable based, non-toxic, low carb diet). However there are variations in each instance.

    Am I detoxing metals as well as probably candida and parasites?

    The good thing to come out of this suffering is that I will value my health more than the average joe!

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    raster
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    The only way to know for certain is to get tested for heavy metals; I believe they can do hair tests, etc.

    The way my naturopath looks at things is that there is your fire and your water. Your fire is you long term energy/strength reserve and your water is your short term energy reserve. If you support your water, then it will occasionally splash back into your fire and strengthen this reservoir.

    You’ve(or candida) beat yourself so down over the years that it takes a lot of rest and proper treatment to replenish.

    -raster

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    Cheesey
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    raster;39435 wrote: The only way to know for certain is to get tested for heavy metals; I believe they can do hair tests, etc.

    The way my naturopath looks at things is that there is your fire and your water. Your fire is you long term energy/strength reserve and your water is your short term energy reserve. If you support your water, then it will occasionally splash back into your fire and strengthen this reservoir.

    You’ve(or candida) beat yourself so down over the years that it takes a lot of rest and proper treatment to replenish.

    -raster

    Hi Raster

    Thank you very much for your response. I like you naturopath’s description. I do think I am heading in the right direct, its just throwing up a lot of problems for me and often feels like 2 steps forward, 3 steps back, 5 steps forward, 2 steps back (i.e. my recovery/symptoms are all over the place and somewhat unpredictable).

    I’ve had a hair test done, but unfortunately I have read that the results are far from reliable making it a somewhat futile and expensive exercise. I’m visiting a new naturopath tomorrow because I had some fundamental disagreements with my last one who think candida should be dead and gone after about a week or so. I will get her opinion on it all and hopefully get some kind of structured direction.

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    Flipper
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    Hi Cheesey,
    I seem to have the same trilogy, Candida, Adrenal fatigue and heavy metal toxicity.
    I’ve become so dizzy and tired I can’t get through my days at all.
    I’ve been on the diet for a year now, and right now it feels like I’m only getting worse.
    Like you said, they can’t accurately check for heavy metals so my Doc started me on Ultra Clear Plus, only I think I had a really bad reaction to it, or my metals are really bad or I just got a viral thing that has made me exhausted and dizzy. I don’t know.
    Anyway I’m curious what your new naturopath said.

    #102016

    Cheesey
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    Flipper;40516 wrote: Hi Cheesey,
    I seem to have the same trilogy, Candida, Adrenal fatigue and heavy metal toxicity.
    I’ve become so dizzy and tired I can’t get through my days at all.
    I’ve been on the diet for a year now, and right now it feels like I’m only getting worse.
    Like you said, they can’t accurately check for heavy metals so my Doc started me on Ultra Clear Plus, only I think I had a really bad reaction to it, or my metals are really bad or I just got a viral thing that has made me exhausted and dizzy. I don’t know.
    Anyway I’m curious what your new naturopath said.

    Hi Flipper

    My new naturopath has done an Adrenal Fatigue profile. I am currently waiting on the results for that. She also put me on an S. Boulardii protocol. I’m taking 4 x 3 billion S. Boulardii per day and have been for almost 2 weeks now.

    I’ve started to feel a bit better and have had some energy back. My dizziness has abated somewhat (I only really get it now when I stand up too quickly), I no longer really get my spaced out/derealised feeling unless I am stressed, and, due to I think taking Ashwagandha, my anxiety has largely decreased!! I’m really pleased as in comparison to how I was feeling perhaps only a month ago I am doing really well. I’ve even gone back to work part-time. However, I just got back from a weekend trip to Edinburgh where I cheated (knowingly and unknowingly) and was more active than I have been at any time in the past 3 months (I think one day I walked maybe a total of 5 or 6 miles). Predictably I am now feeling the effects and am having a bit of a setback. I’m very exhausted and have quite a low mood/poor concentration etc. I think I still have a long way to go regarding my energy and don’t expect to be back to my old self any time soon.

    My naturopath is of a different opinion to the experts on the forum in that she thinks that an extreme diet (i.e. the forum diet) is not necessary as candida will even feed off protein if it has to (her words). Accordingly, I am sticking to the website diet with the addition of green lentils whilst also focusing on building up my immune system with colostrum, vitamin A and D, Silymarin, rest and relaxation. I eat plenty of low GI carbs such as brown rice, quinoa etc. I am quite content in my protocol as it has begun to produce positive results.

    She mentioned that heavy metals might be an issue for me, but that she would prefer to look first at adrenal function as due to my history this is most likely a factor. After we have dealt with that in one way or another, we will look at parasites. Only after I have looked at both of these things, and if I am still not doing well, that we will look at heavy metals.

    I actually found that at one point I felt almost instantly better when I stopped taking too many supplements. I don’t know if I was having a reaction to a particular supplement or if my body just couldn’t handle so many things at once. One thing I actually stopped taking was Molybdenum(!?!?) and haven’t gone back to it. I wondered if maybe it was chelating metals out of the body too quickly, or if I just don’t react well to it. Maybe there’s no link between stopping it and feeling better at all, I just don’t know.

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    raster
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    Thats cool you found a good naturopath. She should be looking into all of these things because they are likely true for most candida sufferers. My naturopath doesn’t prescribe molybdenum and advises against its use because it does chelate minerals from the body. You should only take it if you are going through intense die-off.

    Are you over die off?

    -raster

    #102039

    Cheesey
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    raster;40530 wrote: Thats cool you found a good naturopath. She should be looking into all of these things because they are likely true for most candida sufferers. My naturopath doesn’t prescribe molybdenum and advises against its use because it does chelate minerals from the body. You should only take it if you are going through intense die-off.

    Are you over die off?

    -raster

    Hi Raster

    Thanks for your input! I’m not completely over die-off. It comes and goes. Moreover, I find it difficult to distinguish between what die-off is and what is just me still feeling crappy because I’m not really better yet. I think my body is trying to do a lot of healing and its taking a lot of energy. I have an appointment with a specialist next month to essentially diagnose me with chronic fatigue syndrome. In terms of fatigue I am still worse than when I started the diet. However, I’m not having the same extreme lows as before, its just that my energy is more consistently low and I can’t really exercise or anything yet. Moreover, as I mentioned in my earlier post, a lot of age old and new symptoms are beginning to dissipate and I think that has a lot to do with my reduction in anxiety via Ashwagandha as with my diet. I think there is likely a synergistic relationship between my anxiety reduction and the diet.

    What is certain is that I’m not going through the intense feeling as though I might die. In fact, I’m often in a good mood and just really eager to get back to life at the moment – though I think I still have a long way to go and I think I need to be patient. It’ll be a good few months I think before I’m able to make plans that involve more energy (I have a serious hankering to go hiking).

    I have a few more objective physical markers that indicate to me that die-off is ending too. One is that my urine is less regularly frothy as it was before. At the moment I see a lot of froth in the toilet bowl usually when I wake up or when I’ve taken my S. Boulardii rather than absolutely all the time. Another sign is that my breath isn’t really bad now like it was during the really bad times (thanks to my girlfriend for keeping me well updated on that one).

    I’m certainly going in the right direction, its just about keeping that momentum and addressing any obstacles that arise!

    #102041

    Flipper
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    Thanks for all that information Cheesey, I’m in a depression now and just putting one foot in front of the other (figuratively) I was an athlete and I’m watching all my friends have fun and get faster than me. Meanwhile I get dizzy from walking too fast. :>(
    I just don’t know when I can plan to get back to things and that is driving me nuts (It’s been one and a half years since I’ve really trained for anything and I’m just getting older…
    Sorry to be complaining. It’s just so great to hear from someone going through this as well.
    Good luck and thanks.

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