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    jennyska
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    Hi everyone,
    I feel extremely alone and like no one understands. I was “diagnosed” with candida 3 months ago and since then it was hell. I was used to seeing my friends every day , ordering pizza, drinking, laughing, having coffees or popcorn in cinema and then it started. Sometimes I ask myself why is this happening to me, because to be honest, candida took over my life completely. So I tried starting to go on the diet when the first symptoms started,because most of the symptoms were linked to candida, but then everyone around me and even though doctors told me, such an illness doesnt exist and everyone considered me an idiot and doing various tests on me , blood, urine, EKG, reumatology , blah blah, because I have the weirdest symptoms ever, but all came back negative. Then my doctor said: its all in your head plus you have an allergy and that is making your symptoms worse, I was crying so much because I knew she was wrong and although I was never allergic in my life to anything, I went to see a specialist. Then finally I went to my specialist (allergologist), who said she doubts it’s and allergy and if I ever heard of candida albicans which might be the source of my problems. Then I cried again, because for two months I was going from doctor to doctor and for nothing because I thought I had candida in the first place. So one month ago I started the diet, everything was going quite good, although I was eating a lot of nuts, nut butter, brown rice, tomatoes and chicken, believe it or not, my symptoms became better. And then this weekend it all crashed to ground, I started eating chocolate, because I was so low, because I dont go anywhere anymore, because I was so sad and depressed, because I want my life back … Now its the third day on chocolate and I know I have to start again and it has to last for at least hopefully till Christmas I might be healthy because I dont have candida for that long (when I started seeing the symptoms I straight away started solving it). But my problem is I DO NOT KNOW HOW 🙁 I am reading so much about how to get rid of candida and yet I do not understand. So I wanted to ask someone kindly for an advice. SHould I start with a detox and how ? How long should the detox last ? I have read the posts about lemon in the water instead of psyllium and bentonite drink but instead of that what should I eat/take/drink ? What and when should I start taking supplements ? During the detox, first stage or second stage ? I have ThreeLac, Caprylic acid and Virgin coconut oil, how and when should I take them please ? I am sorry about my post being so long, but could someone please help me ? I want my life back… Thank you,
    Jenny

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    Able900
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    Jenny, below are a few questions which I just answered yesterday. I think the answers cover the questions you had. If you have other questions or concerns, just let us know.

    Question: “Should I begin taking the antifungals (coconut oil, garlic pills) from the start of cleanse. Or, should i wait until after the die off? What is the most effective route?”

    Reply: Start the cleanse leaving the antifungals out for the time being. Chicken and fish should be left of out your diet during the cleanse if at all possible.
    After a week to two weeks of the cleanse, you can start eating more protein sources such as young fish (sardines, herring) or wild salmon occasionally or organic chicken. Organic eggs should remain your main source for proteins throughout the cleanse and treatment.
    NOTE: Jenny, in your case, if you’ve already started the coconut oil, I would continue taking it through the cleanse. If you haven’t started it, then just wait until after the cleanse.
    After a week to two weeks of the cleanse, you can start an antifungal or probiotic, but choose only one to start with. Stay on the one you choose for at least two weeks before starting another one.

    If you get the correct ones, 3 or 4 antifungals are enough. Oil of oregano, coconut oil and/or undecenoic acid, and raw garlic and/or garlic pills containing allicin are the best antifungals.

    A good probiotic is MegaFlora by MegaFood which contains 14 strains and a count of 29 billion. Start with one capsule a day taken on an empty stomach one hour before a meal or two hours after.

    Question: “Can Molybdenum be taken throughout the cleanse, or should it only be used during the die off?”

    Reply: Molybdenum can and should be taken from the beginning. It’ll be a life saver during your die-off period as it prevents the toxins from doing so much damage to the body, especially the liver.

    Jenny, Caprylic acid and coconut oil are excellent, although they’re basically the same thing, however ThreeLac is a waste of your money.

    Able

    #66230

    jennyska
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    Hi Able,
    Thank you 🙂 I am planning to start with cleanse for a week, drinking lemon water and eating just raw or steamed veggies. After that, if I understand right, will start taking caprylic acid pills and coconut oil and raw garlic and adding to my diet … but I do not know what, since fish and nuts do not do any good to me, so probably just chicken, eggs and probiotic yoghurt and some buckwheat. I know you are speaking about molybdeum? much but what exactly it is and why does it help with candida and if I take so many antifungals is it going to do any harm to me ?
    Thank you,
    Jenny 🙂

    #66233

    Able900
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    Hi, Jenny.

    Quote: I am planning to start with cleanse for a week, drinking lemon water and eating just raw or steamed veggies. After that, if I understand right, will start taking caprylic acid pills and coconut oil and raw garlic and adding to my diet.”

    Reply: You should start only one of the antifungals at a time. Wait at least two weeks before you start another one.

    Quote: I know you are speaking about molybdeum? much but what exactly it is and why does it help with candida and if I take so many antifungals is it going to do any harm to me ?

    Reply: Molybdenum is needed to protect the liver and body in general from the Candida toxins as well as lessen die-off effects. It’s an essential mineral which is already found naturally in the human body, and supplements are available in vitamin stores. Molybdenum is found in many foods, but for a Candida infestation normally more is needed than what’s available in the foods we eat. It’s not going to harm you.

    About the yogurt, you’ll want to purchase only Organic Non-Sweetened Greek Yogurt with a minimum of sugar content. Oikos and Fage are two of the best brands. You can also make homemade kefir for your diet which would be a great benefit, you can use goat’s milk or even coconut milk if you prefer instead of cow’s milk.

    Able

    #66237

    raster
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    Hi Jenny,

    I just want to say that you are not alone in regards to the depression, loneliness, and the feeling that you cannot control candida and that it has ruined you. I once felt this way as well, and I couldn’t imagine the day that I would start to feel better.

    Having been on the diet for 4 months now, I feel really great and am more or less symptom free.

    In the diet you mentioned; I would alter a few food items if possible until phase 2. Primarily the nuts/seeds could be problematic because they contain molds/fungals. Oh and the chocolate…that cannot continue! You know it, it is setting you back! Tomatoes and rice are other things to consider removing; tomatoes are a fruit that contain sugar and rice has small amounts of gluten. Buckwheat is a much better alternative to rice that has almost the same flavor and texture. If you absolutely have to have tomatoes, it won’t set you back too much during the diet.

    I wouldn’t worry about phase 2 too much yet because its a ways away; just know that during phase 2 you can handle more bad foods. You won’t change the supplements very much at that point, maybe just less antifungals.

    During the die-off period, I recommend the use of saunas, steam rooms, or even a hot bath at home to help sweat those toxins out. This will almost completely nullify the die off symptoms and will help you recover more quickly.

    While I haven’t disagreed with able’s statements about molybdenum so far, I do not agree with this statement “It’s not going to harm you.” Molybdenum removes many minerals from your body; mainly metals such as copper, zinc, iron, etc. Your body in general needs these minerals to get better and it could pull out too much from your body depending on your chemistry, makeup, etc. Molybdenum does help heal your gut and does a bunch of other beneficial things; but there is a downside to using molybdenum. Molybdenum can cause diarrhea, growth retardation, infertility, low birth weight and gout; it can also affect the lungs, kidneys and liver.

    Undeceonic acid is also an alternative to capryllic acid (aka coconut oil). Dr. Mccoomb states that capryllic acid is only effective the first 6-8 weeks on the diet and after that time, the candida can adapt to it and its less effective. If you’ve already started taking it, I would just use undeceonic acid afterwards when it is done.

    Another probiotic to consider is HMF neuro; it contains human micro flora which will bind to your intestine walls better than other bovine related probiotics. I would alternate the probiotics you take throughout the treatment to get different kinds in the gut.

    #66238

    jennyska
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    Hey 🙂 Thank you for you answer, I am definitely going to purchase the molybdenum, do you by any chance have any recommended site from which to buy ? Also, I have already bought the ThreeLac and I do not really want to waste it, when do you think I should use that ? Maybe stage 2 ?And concerning the yogurt, how about Activia and other probiotic yogurts found in Tesco’s? does it necessarily have to be greek style one? And if I start like adding antifungals lets say every two weeks another one, wouldnt I end up taking a lot of them at the same time ? Like in detox stage I wouldnt take any, then I will add coconut oil, but can I still eat raw garlic as well ? And after two weeks, I will add f.e. oregano oil and after another two weeks I will add caprylic acid and I end up using molybdenum, raw garlic, coconut oil , caprylic acid and oregano oil daily, isnt that too much ? And is it the same if I add coconut oil to my food and eating a spoon of it ? Can I also ask you, are you a previous candida sufferer ?
    Thank you Able :)Jenny

    #66242

    raster
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    It’s best to use the greek yogurt because it contains probiotics and little sugar; there is about 8-11g of sugar per tub. Other yogurts contain something like 17-22g of sugar per serving (tiny tub). This is way too much, more than the daily threshold amount you should set for yourself. Keep the sugar intake to less than 25g a day.

    You can take many supplements and it is not too much. I wouldn’t worry about it; it’ll help you get better faster.

    Throw away the threelac, it contains yeast. This is not a helpful product. I wouldn’t take it during any stage.

    I am a current candida sufferer and have spent hours on this website and listening to dr. mccoombs; this doesn’t make me an expert, but it doesn’t make me a noobie either.

    #66245

    jennyska
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    Hello Raster 🙂
    Thank you very much for your reply.. You know I feel like I want just to break down and cry every single day… To be honest with you, candida has taken over my face, nails and stomach as well. I dont worry about my nails and stomach too much , but I really want my face back – every day I have swollen eyes, dark circles, floaters in the eyes and so sensitive eyes to anything and my nails are completely yellow and I either have diarrhea or constipation (and that is just some of my symptoms and I used to have so beautiful face, I feel like this is a punishment for something I did 🙁 you know I feel so …. just so down 🙁 And similarly to you , I dont see myself happy and symptoms free in the future, just as you did, but I really really hope 🙁 How about the greek yogurt from tescos? Is that going to be ok or should I just check the sugar content in it yeah ? Ok I will try to save brown rice and quinoa for stage 2. So buckwheat it is, are the buckwheat flakes ok as well ? I will try to limit the tomato intake for 1 per day I hope that is not going to be so bad. I wanted to ask you, I admire you for the fact that you are on the diet for already 4 months, but how did you manage ? I mean, how about going out, meeting friends, celebrations, etc. or is it something I have to give up for a while ?
    Jenny 🙂

    #66246

    Able900
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    raster wrote: I do not agree with this statement “It’s not going to harm you.” Molybdenum removes many minerals from your body; mainly metals such as copper, zinc, iron, etc. Your body in general needs these minerals to get better and it could pull out too much from your body depending on your chemistry, makeup, etc. Molybdenum does help heal your gut and does a bunch of other beneficial things; but there is a downside to using molybdenum. Molybdenum can cause diarrhea, growth retardation, infertility, low birth weight and gout; it can also affect the lungs, kidneys and liver.

    Raster, the symptoms you’ve named are possible if too much or an overdose of Molybdenum is taken during a short period of time, and a Molybdenum overdoses are extremely rare. Plus, a copper deficiency would already have to be present for it to cause a problem, and then again, an overdose of the Molybdenum would have to be taken for additional symptoms to appear.

    Taking too much of a probiotic can cause infections which would necessitate a treatment of antibiotics, especially in people with underlying health conditions such as Candida. Too much could cause a gene transfer which means insertion of genetic material into the cells, or it could cause an unhealthy metabolic activity and too much stimulation of the human immune system which would overwork the immune system causing it to crash, or …. should I go on?

    Too much oil of oregano is toxic to the body and can cause contact dermatitis, excessive vomiting, tingling or numbness in the mouth; it can inhibit iron absorption which leads to anemia and other serious iron-related conditions.

    Too much calcium will cause muscle weakness, vomiting, and excessive urination leading to dehydration, a too high or low heart rate, kidney stones, and coma.

    An overdose of magnesium will cause the same symptoms as calcium with the addition of problems with breathing.

    Too much fruit can cause a Candida infestation. Should we tell even those who have never suffered with Candida that they should discontinue all fruits from their diet, forever?

    I could add the thousands of possible dangers of overdosing with medications and prescription drugs that most of us are taking at least one of.

    If all you say is true regardless of an overdose, why is Molybdenum found naturally in the human body without ever taking a supplement? Should we look into having what is already there naturally removed by some unheard of surgery before we all contract the symptoms you mentioned?

    Isn’t it logical to say that if we should stop taking Molybdenum because of the possible overdose symptoms, we should also stop all of the products and supplements which contain overdose warnings?

    I assume you can see the complete lack of logic that your statement holds, or are you suggesting that we start including all of the possible side effects and overdose symptoms with every supplement we suggest to the readers?

    Able

    #66247

    raster
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    Alright able, I didn’t know about all of the possible side effects of all of these supplements.

    I’d like to see some links that you may have about molybdenum and candida research if you have them. I just saw this one liner on cancer.org and want to know more “Molybdenum deficiencies are very rare among humans; therefore most practitioners do not recommend supplements.”

    Then I saw this article:

    http://candidapage.com/aldehyde.shtml

    And they said “Molybdenum has a blanket reputation for breaking down yeast by-products into forms that the body could excrete.”

    I am no expert about molybdenum or even close; I just am skeptical of it working really well as a supplement.

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    Able900
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    raster wrote: Alright able, I didn’t know about all of the possible side effects of all of these supplements.
    I’d like to see some links that you may have about molybdenum and candida research if you have them.

    Raster;

    Only a small portion of the information concerning supplements, herbs, and alternative medicines that I post come from the Internet, most of it comes from notebooks filled with notes I’ve taken over the past 15 years of studying journals and research papers concerning alternative medications, herbs, and the use of supplements and minerals in the treatment of various illnesses as well as notes I’ve made from seminars on alternative health care which I’ve attended over the years. Some of the information has actually come from my own experiments. If I find a specific research study that is posted online, I normally include it in a post.
    But I just did a quick search online to see what I could find as far as a notable and trustworthy reference to Molybdenum and Candida toxins, just for you, Raster.

    Your Quote: And they said “Molybdenum has a blanket reputation for breaking down yeast by-products into forms that the body could excrete.”

    “Yeast by-products” is of course a reference to the toxins called aldehydes which the dying Candida excrete; Molybdenum nullifies the potency of aldehyde by breaking it down or converting it into acetic acid.

    The following quote was written by David Schlesinger a licensed acupuncturist who specializes in Candidiasis related illness, multiple chemical sensitivities, and heavy metal toxicity.

    “We strongly recommend the use of the following supplements along with Formula SF722 to optimize the body’s capacity to neutralize toxins produced by Candida organisms as well as maximizing your immune system’s potential for combating Candida; Molybdenum, Pantethine, Wow Drops and Complete Thymic Formula.”
    Source: http://www.modernherbalist.com/products/sf722.html

    The following statement was taken from an article titled, “A Health-Destroying Toxin No One Can Avoid” on the subject of ‘Acetaldehyde Relief” written by Carolyn Pierini, Bachelor of Science in Clinical Laboratory Science, American Society for Clinical Pathology.

    “…. B1, B2, B6, lipoic acid, N-acetyl cysteine, B3, calcium pantothenate (B5), vitamin C, Molybdenum, zinc, magnesium and betaine. These neuroprotective nutrients are especially important for individuals who smoke or produce acetaldehyde in their bodies as a consequence of alcohol consumption or Candidiasis.”
    Source: http://www.vrp.com/digestive-health/a-health-destroying-toxin-no-one-can-avoid

    The following is an excerpt from “The Art of Getting Well” written by Dr. George Miroff, Dr. Richard Mowles, Jack, M. Blount – Foundation for the Eradication of Rheumatoid Disease, A.K.A. The Arthritis Trust of American, the Digest of Chiropractics, January-February, 1991.

    Quote: “(Patients who have) a problem with an olfactory challenge with an aldehyde will be found to be in need of one or more of the nutrients associated with the metabolism of aldehydes, that is niacinamide, riboflavin, iron and molybdenum.”
    Source: http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Molybdenum%20for%20Candida%20albicans%20Patients/index.htm

    You wrote, “Molybdenum deficiencies are very rare among humans; therefore most practitioners do not recommend supplements.”

    I just found the following informative quotes online concerning the lack of
    deficiencies of other vitamins and supplements:

    “Because the good bacteria in the gut are a form of vitamin K, it is extremely rare for someone to have a vitamin K deficiency.” (Sounds like they’re insinuating that ‘good bacteria’ in the human system is plentiful in nearly all cases. Makes one wonder why there are so many infections and diseases caused by a low immune system since it is in essence the beneficial flora in our systems.)
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iBSve2qGHzEJ:healthmad.com/nutrition/vitamin-k/+%22But+because+the+good+bacteria+in+the+gut+is+a+form+of+vitamin+K,+it+is+extremely+rare+for+someone+to+have+a+vitamin+K+deficiency%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    “(Calcium) deficiencies are rare except in aging, when supplementation may help absorb calcium.”
    (But then I also found this post – online – “Calcium deficiency is a major concern in the United States. Over 75% of Americans don’t get what they need.”)
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Y80prJRA6IAJ:www.healthline.com/galecontent/mineral-deficiency+%22deficiencies+are+rare+except+in+aging+when+supplementation+may+help+absorb+calcium%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    “Vitamin E deficiency is rare and is almost never caused by a poor diet.”
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yZN1tIp0-bwJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_E_deficiency+%22Vitamin+E+deficiency+is+rare+and+is+almost+never+caused+by+a+poor+diet%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    “Biotin (B7) deficiency is rare.”
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YmLbvNFISAkJ:www.drweil.com/drw/u/ART02764/vitamin-b7+%22Biotin+deficiency+is+rare.%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    “Protein Deficiency is rare in the U.S.”
    http://www.foodlinkny.org/pdfs/ProteinPower.pdf

    “Sodium deficiency is rare.”
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zArZ1xASeDYJ:www.livestrong.com/sodium-deficiency/+%22sodium+deficiency+is+rare%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    “Vitamin B deficiencies are rare.”
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AQVyur7_zAwJ:www.heraldnet.com/article/20110918/LIVING/709189989/1042/LIVING02+%22Vitamin+B+deficiencies+are+rare%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    “Iodine deficiencies are rare.”
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:fRrpJkN8Og8J:www.livestrong.com/article/527285-what-foods-should-be-increased-in-a-diet-for-goiters-iodine-deficiency/+%22Iodine+deficiencies+are+rare%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    “Human selenium deficiency is rare”
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:SdctpjaFlT8J:ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium+%22Human+selenium+deficiency+is+rare%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Wow, it makes us wonder, if so many nutrients are found in abundance in the average American body, why are doctors offices and hospitals filled with people suffering from so many different illnesses? I think we all know that vitamin and mineral deficiencies are the major cause of most illnesses.
    I imagine by looking online I could find the same quote concerning just about every vitamin or nutrient known to man.

    You wrote, “I just am skeptical of it working really well as a supplement.”

    If you’re speaking of the ability of Molybdenum to reduce the effects of the toxins released by dying Candida, I can personally attest to its success in that area. It’s the only way I was able to withstand the die-off symptoms produced by heavy doses of antifungals as well as the quickly elevated amounts of probiotics and homemade kefir which I subjected myself to in order to cure the infestation as quickly as possible. Of course I don’t recommend doing this to any of the forum readers as it’s dangerous, but I knew what I was doing and was aware of the chances I was taking. Plus, I trusted the Molybdenum to do what I expected it to, and it worked perfectly once I reached the dosage I needed, which was much higher than the recommended dose on the labels.

    Able

    #66280

    jennyska
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    hey guys 🙂
    I am sorry I might interrupt your conversation, but… I really want to ask you something, both of you I suppose were past candida sufferers and you do not have symptoms anymore… How did you have the strenght to give up all foods and just get rid of it ? today I had my personal crisis again and I ate chocolate, that ended up me being in depression and giving up again.. 🙁 I do not know if I can win this battle and I do not know why this happened to me . 🙁
    jenny

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    raster
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    Once you do the diet, you start to feel better after a few weeks. After doing the diet strictly for months, you feel great again! Feeling great again gets you motivated to try harder and live healthier.

    I now look at most food as being poisonuous. I never thought that this would happen to me considering that I once loved sugar, alcohol, and all of the bad foods you can’t have on the diet. But I look around and see america medicated, overweight, and lazy…and realize that candida has caused great problems to our society. Seeing the problems in america and myself gives me strength to try harder and be healthier.

    Able: Thanks for the links and post. I know some of my statements were poor, I just wanted to get you going on the topic. I will check into molybdenum more; my naturopathic doctor is highly against it and feels that it can cause a lot of problems, so I returned it to the store for now.

    #66292

    jennyska
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    thank you 🙂 🙂 And how about the grape bitters ? How and when should I eat them ? today I started my candida battle diary:) And I see myself healthy again, you motivated me a lot thank you ! Also, today I bought aluminum free baking powder and coconut flour, so is the bread allowed in the 1st stage ? 🙂

    #66316

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    raster wrote: Able: Thanks for the links and post. I know some of my statements were poor, I just wanted to get you going on the topic. I will check into molybdenum more; my naturopathic doctor is highly against it and feels that it can cause a lot of problems, so I returned it to the store for now.

    Raster, did you ask the doc WHY he was so against it? Does he have the research which proves that it does more harm than good? Those questions would have been my first response to him.

    You know, just because they have the title “doctor” in front of their names doesn’t make them our decision maker, and it doesn’t mean they know everything there is to know about vitamins and other supplements, or anything else for that matter. In fact, when I’ve visited seminars on alternative health and the healing values of vitamin and mineral supplements, the people who showed the least amount of knowledge on the subject were visiting doctors.

    I’m aware that you are an active advocate of saunas and soaking in hot baths for expelling the C. albicans toxins, but some of us simply don’t have the time to linger in either one as often and for as long as it takes to do the job alone. Between working, meeting clients, and replying to posts on the forum, I’m doing one of those for about 15 hours a day. That didn’t leave me a lot of time for visiting saunas or soaking for an hour in a hot tub every time I felt the nauseating effects of die-off during my treatment. I’m sure I’m not the only person with a typical day such as that, especially considering the parents who work and take care of several children every day.

    PS: But a long soak in a hot tub at least once over the weekend is always a nice change.

    Able

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