- July 29, 2013 at 2:44 pm #108365
I have always been the same size, but after gaining several pounds in 2 years, experiencing a lot of bloating and unable to loose weight despite lots of exercise I went to a naturopath and was diagnosed through blood tests with candida in November. The test results were off the chart with a score of 700 which she said is the highest. Blood tests also showed sensitivity to eggs but wheat and dairy was fine. My naturopath put me on the 3 week cleanse with no fruit, mushrooms, dairy, wheat, sugar, vinegars, alcohol etc. and limited my carb intake to 20g/day along with Candicin. I stayed on this for 4 weeks with no cheating. When I returned she allowed me 3 fruit a day, upped my carb intake to 60g and allowed some limited dairy (goat and sheep products) but all the other restrictions. She put me on Candiclear Four which I remained on for the following 5 months and also Metagest. I only ate one fruit a day and remained strict. Every 2 or 3 weeks I might have had a gin and tonic OR a couple bites of my husbands dessert OR if I was really bad a small helping of my mother’s pasta but following those times I went back to the cleanse for a few days.
I was feeling so much better. The bloating had stopped, I was less irritable and I had more energy. After 6 months I went to get retested and my score went down to only 600. But on the positive note, my sensitivity to eggs was no longer present. This is very discouraging with all the hard work I put into this. I’m starting to question a few things such as the probiotics and anitfungals I am on, things she allowed in my diet such as dairy, corn, black tea with milk (which I only have one cup/day).
I’m at a loss. This is getting very discouraging because I feel so much better and thought it was all cleared up yet according to the test results there has not been much change.July 29, 2013 at 3:36 pm #108366
Smitty99MemberTopics: 27Replies: 227
Candida is the hardest thing to get over as anybody on here will tell you. One little slip up can negate many many days of hard work. I’ve never heard of the candiclear and it’s never been mentioned here on the forum that I’ve seen personally. It’s contents aren’t on the list of preferred antifungals on this forum either. Not saying it’s no good but you may need to try something else as well.
You should read ables and rasters protocol, especially regarding the antifungals. Some of the antifungals you take need to be rotated every couple weeks because the candida adapt to the antifungal and no longer become effective.
For such high levels, you didn’t mention any die off you had which is good. Means your naturopath probably knows about that and was gentle with the protocol she put you on but that can also mean it may take a little longer
Generally for every year you’ve had candida, it will take 1 month for you to heal. So if you had it for 15 years. Estimate 15 months of healing.July 29, 2013 at 11:35 pm #108392
NiuBlauMemberTopics: 2Replies: 39
I think You should be happy to feel better instead of being unhappy about the test.
Your naturopath seems to know what she is doing, because You have a heavy case (700) she is going slow and allows some fruit. That makes sense to me.
My naturopath gives me one piece of low sugar fruit a day, and I’m very sick as well.
So You are feeling so much better! Imagine You had done all that and You felt the same.
I think the numbers will go down, but You have to be patient.
What kind of test is that? That gave You the 700?
Thanks.July 30, 2013 at 2:22 pm #108430
Thanks Smitty ,
I know. I wondered about die-off and why I didn’t really experience anything serious. I questioned whether I was doing something wrong and never thought that the naturopath was doing something right.
I was reading the protocol you sent regarding antifungals and it mentioned:
“Remember that antifungals should only be used until the die-off has lessened to a large degree. This can be any time between 1 and 3 months in most cases. Then you should stop the antifungals (other than coconut oil and/or SF722) and concentrate on reestablishing the flora in the intestines with probiotics, kefir and plenty of good daily prebiotics (food for the bacteria).”
I just started alternating grapefruit extract, oil of oregano and caprylic acid (which after reading the protocol I’ll stop the grapefruit). But should I stop all except coconut oil since I’ve been on the diet more than 3 months?
That timeline helps me get an idea of how long of a journey I’m in for. You’re right though, its not an easy and I guess everyone gets discouraged at times. Thanks for the support.July 30, 2013 at 2:23 pm #108431
Thank you for your reply and support.
The tests were food allergy tests where she sent blood samples to a lab. The first test tested several pages of different foods as well as candida. The second test I had was sent to a different lab because she said it was cheaper and because they would test only a few foods I showed sensitivity to in the first test and the candida rather then everything again. However, after looking at the websites of the labs last night I found the following information from the first lab that she used:
“After exposure ceases (i.e. Candida has been eradicated), the IgG antibody levels should begin to decline. However, the laboratory has no data to support the idea that repeat testing is useful for monitoring Candida
burden, therefore use of the IgG Candida blood spot to monitor declining Candida levels is not recommended.” http://rmalab.com
But you are absolutely right, I should be happy because I do feel so much better. Since I have been on the diet I have not had any colds or sinus infections, my memory has improved, no bowel problems at all, etc. Even when I do cheat a little I don’t pay for it whereas a few months ago I would feel the effects of cheating for the following 24 hours. However, just coming back from holidays, I do know that if I go off the diet for a few days some of the symptoms start to come back. The one symptom that has not completely disappeared is my sensitivity to scents. Maybe I need to rely less on tests and try to pay attention to my body….cheaper that way too.July 31, 2013 at 8:51 am #108473
many sparrowsMemberTopics: 9Replies: 42
Enjoy the gains you’ve made!
In my experience though, to really get this stuff under control, you have to fight a really tough battle, and the only way to do that is to at some point go all out to seriously reduce the levels of candida to where they are in balance in your gut. I spent years taking anti-fungals and probiotics, and finally realised that if I took caprylic acid on the one hand but then ate something which fed the candida on the other hand, overall I wasn’t getting anywhere much, although the anti-fungals kept my SYMPTOMS down to acceptable levels.
The diet many people follow on this forum is very strict to start with ,but gradually introduces more and more foods over time,which I find helpful because you feel that you can move forward,and that gives me more motivation to be diciplined with the stage I’m at.But at the same time(read the many, many posts on this forum) I and others do find that if you aren’t absolutely determined to attack the candida until you win (which might take 6 months, or even a year)the problem is never really solved.
Eating fruit or corn, for example, would feed the candida, let alone a few mouthfuls of dessert, and so you will be counteracting all the hard work you’ve put in. Although you can feel so much better just keeping the candida down, if you are still feeding it, its just lurking there ready to increase and then you wonder why you feel so ill,AGAIN.
Hope I’m not discouraging you — I just know that I was far more discouraged before NOT knowing this. Now I have the amazing info from this forum I feel I’m finally getting somewhere, although it IS tough. I’ve got to the stge where the strictest of regimes seems easier than living with an enemy in ny gut which is trying to overpower me.July 31, 2013 at 5:16 pm #108491
rasterParticipantTopics: 104Replies: 6828
I tell most forum members to plan on a 6-18 month recovery time to get over candida overgrowth. If you are not getting better as quickly as you’d like, it likely has to do with dietary factors as well as supplements. The supplements you take are the x-factor to any treatment.
What is your diet like and what supplements are you taking?
-rasterAugust 1, 2013 at 1:03 pm #108510
Thank you for your response. I can live with 6-18 months. I know some of the changes in my diet will be lifetime changes and there are some things I will never dare to eat again. I’m thinking my diet is okay (skim below) with a few questionable items you might be able to clarify. I am a little confused with the supplements and have made some recent changes (again, see below)
My daily breakfast consists of a smoothie made from unsweetened coconut milk, kefir, almond butter and goat yoghurt. Sometimes I’ll add a couple of strawberries or blueberries.
Lunch consists of a salad with peppers, cucumber, celery and a small amount of shredded carrot and an avocado. Dressing with olive oil, fresh garlic, freshly squeezed lime juice, salt and pepper.
Dinner is usually salmon, haddock, tuna, tofu, tempeh or a veggie burger with grilled vegetables. (I don’t eat beef, pork or chicken)
I keep my carb from grains down to 60 grams/day and stay away from white rice and wheat. I try to eat sauerkraut daily.
Snacks are mostly veggies with hummus, nuts, seeds, homemade candida friendly cookies, olives
My naturopath has allowed limited amounts of corn and dairy. I do have a cup of black tea with a little milk everyday, sometimes twice a day. I have had no reaction to any of these products. Sometimes dairy might give me a little gas at which point I stop eating it and then reintroduce in smaller amounts. She has also allowed 3 fruits a day and said one day a week I can have a cheat day and eat 300 grams of carbs of my choice – including beer! I love beer but think this is excessive and have NEVER subscribed to this suggestion and I would never eat 3 fruit in a day.
As for supplements for the first month I was on candacin. For the following 5 months I was on Candiclear 4. This is the point I was retested. I decided that my diet seemed okay although I was unsure about the supplements. So now I am taking Ultimate Flora 50 billion probiotic, a vitamin C, and alternating 2 weeks between Caprylic Acid, Oregano Oil and Grapefruit seed extract. I just started adding a tablespoon of coconut oil to my smoothie. The protocol says up to 15 teaspoons – that seems like a lot – do people just drink it? Also, the protocol says to only take anti-fungals until the 3rd month – should I be stopping now?
When I did the calculation, I guess I have actually been on the diet for 9 months now. The second testing done at 7. What do you know about testing and how accurate the results are. As I said earlier, I’m feeling great.
StellaAugust 1, 2013 at 7:52 pm #108526
NiuBlauMemberTopics: 2Replies: 39
The protocol says up to 15 teaspoons – that seems like a lot – do people just drink it?
Yes, I just drink it.
I buy coconut oil in a big bottle and then I put some in a smaller jar.
Every morning I melt it in the sink with hot water.
Then I just drink some when I’m in the kitchen. It sits next to the sink.
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