- February 11, 2014 at 1:48 pm #115685
Has anyone here beat candida naturally, without probiotics and such? Any probiotic I have ever tried made me ill and not as in die-off. I am a celiac, plus very intolerant of so many foods and additives. I was doing pretty well then tried Larabars. I just love the caramel cookie which is just dates and almonds. I know, the dates were the problem. The last cookie I ate was in December and I am still suffering. Whenever I am having a candida issue I will have this deep red rash on my lower belly, which I assume is probably a yeast issue.
Thank you for any responses.February 11, 2014 at 2:03 pm #115687
Eating anything out of a box or has a wrapper is not “dealing” with candida, IMO.
Many of us are eating whole foods in their natural form to truly get a handle on a serious candida issue.
You need wholefood fiber.
Google “prebiotic foods” so that you can try to feed the good bacteria in your tummy instead of taking probiotcs.
You wont have any good bacteria if you are eating stuff that comes out of a package,though, because its feeding the candida thats crowding the good bacteria out.
If probiotics is making you ill, as in going to the bathroom too often, lighten the dosage.
Try 3 billion instead of say,20. You might consider trying different probiotic options, such as coconut cream yogurt to get those good bacterias in there. It has coconut fat in it…natural antifungal and lots of good bacteria from what the company I called says.
Do some antifungals for a week or two , and then try some probiotics again.
Natural antifungals could be coconut oil, turnips,garlic, calendula tea,ect.February 11, 2014 at 2:27 pm #115688
I guess I should have added to my post. I do not eat anything processed. I eat only whole foods. I have heard of prebiotics. I can’t tolerate coconut oil, turnips, or garlic. I am intolerant of cruciferous veggies, nightshades, all grains, dairy, red meat, shell fish…the list goes on and on. I have been gluten free for nearly 14 years and it took me until 4 years ago to figure out all the other intolerances. When a doctor told me to try vinegar daily, I got really sick. That’s when I found out about candida and stopped all sugars and sweeteners other than stevia. I lost 100# and was feeling much better until I saw a rheumatologist about my fibromyalgia. The medication he put me on made me terribly ill, so I was starting over again. The only medication I take is Celexa and an occasional Xanax for panic. It just takes me so long to get over a candida issue such as those Larabars. I just wanted something that was a dessert. I will not try that again and I crave them so much. As we all know though, anything we crave is usually bad for us.February 11, 2014 at 7:21 pm #115697
Debellen;54209 wrote: I guess I should have added to my post. I do not eat anything processed. I eat only whole foods. I have heard of prebiotics. I can’t tolerate coconut oil, turnips, or garlic. I am intolerant of cruciferous veggies, nightshades, all grains, dairy, red meat, shell fish…the list goes on and on. I have been gluten free for nearly 14 years and it took me until 4 years ago to figure out all the other intolerances. When a doctor told me to try vinegar daily, I got really sick. That’s when I found out about candida and stopped all sugars and sweeteners other than stevia. I lost 100# and was feeling much better until I saw a rheumatologist about my fibromyalgia. The medication he put me on made me terribly ill, so I was starting over again. The only medication I take is Celexa and an occasional Xanax for panic. It just takes me so long to get over a candida issue such as those Larabars. I just wanted something that was a dessert. I will not try that again and I crave them so much. As we all know though, anything we crave is usually bad for us.
Well, I wouldnt say your cravings are bad.
I would even go so far as to say your cravings are important.
I think im the only one here that doesnt subscribe to the lowcarb thing. I think its dangerous, but helpful in the first few weeks to stabilize. It serves a purpose, but my experience has been that carbs and natural sugars are my friend…but everyone has to get to the source of their issues…which is NOT food.
Once you get over your candida, so many intolerances and pains are going to clear up for you, I just know it.
I dont have the years into candida research that many here have, but I can look back on my life and recognize when my major issues started, and how they all coincided with antibiotic use. My son’s issues not only started with antibiotic use, but also steroid use (for his throat).
Im sorry your suffering with so many complications.
When you say you are intolerant of natural antifungals like coconut, what are your symptoms? Digestion issues? Pain? Maybe we can find something you havent tried yet.
I have my theories why some people are on this diet for years, and others not more than a few months. I follow Dr Morse’s theories on getting glands and organs working proper first, then getting back into balance with herbs and foods.
I dont take supplements other than vitamin C ( I did buy enzymes but I didnt take them more than once) I believe in using food as medicine, and this naturally extends to herbs.
Im not beyond taking a pharmaceutical if its necessary…but I have to exhaust all my options first…since western medicine is WHY I am in the position I am in. NOT BITTER.
There is more than one way to handle this problem, it can be tiring though going through trial and error 🙁February 11, 2014 at 8:38 pm #115699
You might be less sensitive to human derived probiotics; one thats out there is called HMF neuro. If you start at a low doseage and work your way up, then you might be able to handle it just fine. What can’t you tolerate about them and what probiotics have you tried? Another alternative would be to try boulardii which is a yeast that feeds on yeast.
An alternative to regular antifungals are fatty acids which slowly erode the membranes that protect the yeast. A popular one that I recommend is SF722 undecenoic acid.
You’ll likely want to consult a naturopath considering the amount of symptoms you have and complexities related to this. All diseases are reversable.
-rasterFebruary 11, 2014 at 11:48 pm #115702
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You have alot more issues going on than just candida. There are a number of combinations of many other things you could have going on, including hormone problems, other serious infections, physiological and immunologic issues (some possibly/probably tied to genetics), biotoxin problems etc. Have you seen a good cfs/fibro doc? What part of MI do you live in?February 12, 2014 at 1:33 pm #115715
Yes, I do have many issues going on at one time and it’s difficult to corelate what works best for one and doesn’t cause issues with the other. First I am celiac, been gluten free for 14 years. I also have small fiber polyneuropathy, fibromyalgia, fatty liver disease, CFS, arthritis, candida…no wonder all the intolerances. I think many people suffer intolerances and just never realize it. My neuro said he feels I suffer from celiac sprue.
Vegan Catlady, I do take some supplements. With my limited diet, I feel I need them. I take B6, Vit D3, B Complex, and was taking a multi also. As I stated, I also take Celexa, which I have tried giving up, yet need it for anxiety.
When I tried coconut milk, I used So Delicious. I loved it, yet it made me very sick…nauseous, headache, anxiety, and brain fog..at the time, my classic gluten symptoms. I am thinking about trying coconut again but must find one that has no additives. I was making my own almond milk simply because I reacted to any I tried that was processed. Most foods when sugar free are then sweetened with sorbitol, which I am highly intolerant to.
I truly feel my candida issues were not caused by antibiotic use, more so by my vitamin and mineral deficiencies in turn causing leaky gut. The leaky gut issues can be overwhelming. I do feel I will be on a candida diet for the rest of my life. Actually, I do not have a problem with that fact, just wish when I slip that my healing didn’t take so long. It does no good to be bitter, it only makes us miserable, right?
Yes, trial and error is the only answer and it is very tiring. I do not often try anything new simply because I do not want to deal with issues later.
Raster, I will check into HMF neuro and also check into prebiotics. I can’t be running to the bathroom when issues arise, I must work to survive.
Thanks to you too Impossible. I did go to a very good rheumatologist when living on Long Island. His answer was to load me up with medicines. He had me on meloxacam, flexeril, and aspirin…the meloxacam made me very very ill. I was even passing out. when I told him I could not take the med, that I would stick with my Aleve, he then gave me RX Aleve, 500 mg 3 times a day, which also made me very ill. His answer then was to give me something for my stomach, so I told him NO MORE!!! I deal the best I can with ice, Advil, and pain sprays.
Now I bet you are sorry you responded to the long winded Deb!!! 🙂February 12, 2014 at 3:36 pm #115719
You likely reacted to the coconut milk because it is highly inflammatory, so I recommend trying other coconut products instead.
You also likely took too high of a dose of probiotics and this can cause diarrhea. If you get the HMF neuro powder, you can carefully calculate a small dose to take.
-rasterFebruary 12, 2014 at 7:16 pm #115722
Your reaction to coconut milk are the same reaction I get when I get “die-off” symptoms,exactly.
I get headaches that linger all day, bad brain fog,nauseous, and REALLY bad anxiety!
I had these die off symptoms so bad one day, that I went to the hospital because I didnt know what it was (neither did they, not that they cared lol).
Im not saying that this is die-off for you, because everyone is different, but for me coconut products are whats keeping the candida under control.
*If* it happens to be die-off for you, it doesnt last. You get die-off until a certain amount of the candida gets under control. My first reaction to coconut oil was horrible! I thought my throat was closing, it got really sore, and little by little a headache creeped in that I couldnt shake.
I knew I wasnt allergic so i kept going in really small amounts, and now I am up to several teaspoons a day,all day long. No reaction to it at all!
You can research vitamin deficiencies and candida.
The results show that its difficult to tell which came first,chicken or the egg.
I tried to blame my candida on my anemia and vitamin D deficiency, but it turns out people have those deficiencies all the time without getting candida. Now add antibiotic use,even just once, to that particular situation, and you get an immune system that wont fight the candida.
You can write in to Dr Morse on youtube and he answers your issues in a video response if your interested.
It costs nothing, but it takes about 2 weeks because hundreds of people write in all the time.
He addressed my candida, I have it in my esophagus which is super tricky to treat, but what he says works because I just had a glass of lemonade and peanutbutter toast with no symptoms.
Its just going to take a long time to chip away at what took years to accumulate.
Hang in there, hope you get relief soon.February 12, 2014 at 8:00 pm #115723
You are incorrect about her reaction being die-off, even though its the same symptoms. Her reaction is an allergic reaction or inflammatory(leaky gut) reaction and your reaction is called a herxheimer reaction. Big difference but similar symptoms…coconut milk is not antifungal from my knowledge of it.
If you continue to eat peanut butter and toast you could one day get the same symptoms as her because the yeast will adapt to your diet…
-rasterFebruary 13, 2014 at 12:56 am #115732
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If you want to get better, one of the best…February 13, 2014 at 4:40 am #115739
raster;54244 wrote: You are incorrect about her reaction being die-off, even though its the same symptoms. Her reaction is an allergic reaction or inflammatory(leaky gut) reaction and your reaction is called a herxheimer reaction. Big difference but similar symptoms…coconut milk is not antifungal from my knowledge of it.
Your likely right raster, but I would like clarification on how you know that her reaction is her leaky gut.
If they both have similar symptoms, how do you know which is reacting?
Im asking because I want to be better educated.
I called So Delicious in the beginning of January, because i tried coconut oil and had die off with it, and wanted to know if the fat in the milk (and there is indeed fat) contains coconut oil.
They told me (possibly incorrectly, but they said it none the less)that I would find the same properties in a lesser amount,in the milk, yogurt, and coffee creamer.
This makes sense *if* the coconut milkfat contains the butter/fat that they derive the oil from.
If not, then maybe the whole coconut has slight antifungal properties?
About peanut-butter toast-
Here is where this forum/Candida Diet Page gets really contrary: some say when you begin feeling better, test what works for you, what you can eat and what you react to,since we are all different.
If you dont eat things not on the diet, then how do we ever find that answer?
I get that yeast can adapt, but this implies you can never be free from infection, because you could potentially be adapting the candida at every turn. There is no clear-cut flag that says you are now ready to move forward. Nothing about this is clear-cut.
I wish it was, I deal better with a schedule.
Alot of this healing protocol also implies the body cannot heal on its own, as evidenced by the amount of time most people here have suffered. That tells me that either the body cannot indeed heal on its own, or that there might be another way that isnt being explored to its potential.
I dont rely on the search-engine here to research since it is VERY faulty, but also because the same topics have evolved today to reflect more invested time and experience by those of you who have been here a while.
I actually get more out of this forum when (like a pest) I post back questions 🙂
<3February 13, 2014 at 7:01 am #115740
I stand corrected on it being antifungal…and I think I misread what she wrote initially. She stated she can’t tolerate coconut oil and then she tried coconut milk and it gave her bad symptoms…it must simply be that she can’t tolerate antifungals and/or coconuts.
So it is a herx reaction…
I didn’t know the milk was antifungal and now I see why everyone consume’s it. When I think of coconut milk I think of this:
It is highly inflammatory. Its almost as inflammatory as fast food or fried chicken. Inflammation and leaky gut go hand in hand…
Well we need to know if debellen can tolerate any antifungals. It sounds like she can’t tolerate almost anything and this makes her condition especially difficult to treat.
In general if you become highly allergic to most foods, then I think leaky gut and chronic inflammation of the gut. If you reduce the inflammation and give your gut stuff to heal, you can reverse all of your allergies in my opinion. A strong relationship with all of this is liver health as well. If your liver cannot process the toxins then the toxins will build up in the body causing some of these reactions…
However when you do the candida diet catlady, its pretty important to do it strictly. If you give the yeast treats every day, every couple of days, every week, etc. then its going to take a lot of time to get better. Its like 3.5 steps forward and 2 steps back. Instead you could be going 3.5 steps forward only if you get my drift…
For instance, during the first 4 months of my personal protocol…I consumed rice, milk, vinegar, and sunflower seeds. I quickly removed milk and rice after joining the forum…but over those few months I did not get much better. Once I removed the sunflower seeds and vinegar, I started to heal maybe 2x as fast. The sunflower seeds contain mold and the vinegar is a feast for the yeast. (just sharing my personal experience) I didn’t have no symptoms either from these items.
Peanuts are an item that is not on almost 100% of the candida diets I have seen. It is the highest mold nut out there and candida can feast on other molds quite easily.
Wheat contains gluten and gluten benefits the yeast. Even though you don’t react to it, wheat is not found on almost 100% of all candida diets. Its basically almost as bad as feeding it pure sugar. I can give some more links about why wheat should not be consumed…this is basic stuff here.
-rasterFebruary 13, 2014 at 2:18 pm #115746
Gotcha. The diet specifically doesnt allow the toast, but unfortunately the diet doesnt work very well for vegans.
You simply cant live on vegetables without some fruit.
I dont follow the Candida Diet (tried at first, and realized it isnt healthy for vegans for more than a week or two. Similar to fasting.)
I do in fact feed my gut sugar ( in the form of fruit and wheat), so I am aware that the ” basic-stuff” is ONLY do-able for meat-eaters. Vegans are a minority.
Again, there is no step in this diet that tells you when you have reached a stage.
The flaw is that it tells you to introduce foods to see what works for you, yet there is no good time for that.
Atleast not one I have read.
“But first of all, are you sure that you’ve really beaten your Candida? Some Candida sufferers mistake a temporary lapse in symptoms for a full recovery. So if you’re not sure whether you have cured your Candida overgrowth, read the ‘Diagnosing A Candida Overgrowth’ chapter in my program again. The sections on testing for Candida and the two questionnaires should help. And of course the most important thing is really how you feel. You should have more energy, and symptoms like brain fog, dizziness and recurrent yeast infections should have disappeared. If not, be prepared to stick with the diet for a little longer.” – http://www.thecandidadiet.com/reintroducing-foods/
Since I have never experienced low-energy (my energy is through the roof,always, like a hyper chihuahua,naturally)
and my brain fog has been gone for weeks, its not as easy to say when re-introducing foods is appropriate.February 13, 2014 at 3:39 pm #115749
Ya you are likely re-introducing foods too early imho unless you have a very light infestation. This is a long term battle for most sufferers. If you do continue to eat the wheat and peanuts, you’ll start to react to them in the future…but this can apply to almost all foods that you eat regularly too. Some minor reactions include headaches, sneezing, anxiety, heart palpitations, ringing ears, etc. so be sure to pay attention to your symptoms.
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