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    Loci
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    Last summer I was diagnosed with candida albicans in my gut. I was put on nystatin and followed the diet to a T for 16 weeks. I was really proud of myself for doing so well and cleared the candida and was given a clean bill of health. Because I was clear of it, I started to eat crappy again. What started out as a slice of cake here, and a piece of pizza there (while eating extremely healthy otherwise), turned into ice cream cravings every day! I would have to eat my gluten free cookies every night or have some ice cream. It got so bad that I knew inside what I was doing to myself and sure enough, the symptoms started to pop up slowly…..one day it was fatigue……next day I was fine…..then I’d have headaches and backaches…..the next day fine……then my eyes would get red or I’d get bloated……etc.

    So I went back to my doc and without him even testing me, he knew it was back. So this time he put my on fluconazole (every day for first month, every other for the 2nd month, and every 3rd day) + very strict diet! I was back at square one. The first two weeks I was awful. One day, I not only had Starbucks with whole milk, but I ate a DOUGHNUT! Something I haven’t eaten for probably over 10 years. Then that same day the cravings were so bad I took my kids out for ice cream after school!!!! I felt so ashamed of myself and the lack of control and that day was the last straw! The following morning, I woke up and was determined. The next 2 weeks following, I was SUPER strict…..and then…..I started to cheat again this last week. Just “one” coffee! Just one drink for my birthday. Just one piece of fruit. Just one handful of M&Ms. Today I was doing very well until I made my child a bagel and I ate HALF of it. I don’t know what is going on with me this time. Maybe I feel like it’s not as severe as last time so I have “wiggle” room, but I know that’s farthest from the truth. I know I am feeding the candida. Today I am sluggish, irritated, dizzy, my eye is red, I am bloated, I am broken out. I need some encouragement here. To top it off, we are taking our kids to Disneyland on Monday for a week. A part of me is saying “just cheat for one more week and get back on track when you get back”, but I know I am causing so much harm to my body, not only in feeding the candida, but in taking these heavy meds that are NOT good for the liver. Any advice? Why can’t I stick to this diet like I did last time?

    #101321

    raster
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    I would consider better/healthier cheat items such as fruit as an alternative. The coffee with cream isn’t all that bad once in awhile from my experience but the other things you listed can cause multiple day setbacks or more. Eating a piece of fruit on the other hand shouldn’t cause much of a setback because it is digested easily.

    I would also consider specific supplements to deal with cravings such as L-glutamine, etc. Your body might be getting the proper nutrition that it needs, so it is crying out for more. For instance, it might really be craving trace minerals but it tells your body that you need food. Or vitamin E. Just using examples…

    -raster

    #101327

    Loci
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    That actually makes a lot of sense. I never really considered that. I currently take cod liver oil, probiotics and FemRebalance (for my hormonal fluctuations), but I can say that I am probably not consuming the vitamins and minerals I need on a day to day basis. I will try my best to stick to what I can while on vacation. I can always order peppermint or chamomile tea. I will definitely miss my coconut milk. That really helps keep me off the dairy. I just wish these fluctuations weren’t so common. I thought for sure after my first two horrible weeks, and then my next two really good weeks, that I would be more on board and not craving as much. Is it true that once you start eating anything you’re not supposed to that the candida can get so out of control again that you technically start all over? Or does it just cause a minor “flare up?”

    #101330

    Kag
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    I am curious why you have to go off of coconut milk? I would think that would be okay as long as it is not sweetened. I have experienced this problem as well. I have been on the diet for several month and have been doing oil-pulling in my mouth. I had a chocolate bar last week and then ate out this last weekend. And then, low and behold, the lips start burning on Tuesday… smh… it is so aggravating!!

    I would like to know, from you as well as others, how do you find doctors willing to prescribe so much diflucan for you? The most I ever had a doctor be willing to prescribe to me was three to be taken over a week’s period and that was for a vaginal yeast infection. I can’t even find a doctor that is willing to admit that this IS yeast, much less prescribe something other than cream, and I had the cracks in the corners of my mouth last year which is known to be caused by yeast. I would love to know this because at this point, I might want to try diflucan on a regular basis, it always cured my vaginal yeast. I am not saying that I will go off the diet, because I definitely feel better physically and emotionally on it, but I have completely had it with my lips burning all the time!

    Thanks in advance for your answers!

    #101331

    shayfo
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    One of the really great things about Disneyland is that they let you bring in your own food. I would suggest baking ahead of time and taking muffins, breads, or cookies made out of the approved grains, and something calorie/nutrient-dense like a buckwheat groat salad with veggies. Hardboiled eggs are also small and portable. Another forum member and I went to Disneyland for his birthday, and we both packed a bunch of food and got through it cheat-free.

    My other recommendation would be to think of the desire to deviate from the diet moment-to-moment. If I think, “I will get to eat a piece of chocolate again in three or four months,” my impulse is a mild freak-out and feeling sort of trapped by the diet. But when I think, “I’m not eating a piece of chocolate right now,” that’s not as hard…so I just have to think “right now” about everything.

    It’s hard stuff, but being strict is self-reinforcing after a while, because you start to feel so much better, and you gain confidence in your self-discipline.

    Good luck!

    #101336

    Able900
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    raster;39824 wrote: I would consider better/healthier cheat items such as fruit as an alternative. The coffee with cream isn’t all that bad once in awhile from my experience but the other things you listed can cause multiple day setbacks or more. Eating a piece of fruit on the other hand shouldn’t cause much of a setback because it is digested easily.-raster

    All fruit contains fructose, a sugar which feeds Candida.

    Cream contains lactose, a sugar which feeds Candida.

    The conversation below was posted in a thread titled, “11 months in – please check my regimen.. reporting back on February 16, 2013.

    Jo*Jo;36207 wrote: About 10 days ago i mistakenly had about a teaspoon of cows milk and i noticed a reaction on my tongue almost immediately. Then a week ago i had some swede and onion rings (made with buckwheat flour) both of which i know give die off and this time i felt particularly ill with a tummy ache and feeling sick. I dont know if those two incidences are connected but after that i slowly started to react to kefir and fage yoghurt with my white tongue getting worse, brain fog / headache, nails peeling again and the itchy nipple. I stopped them 4 days ago and all symptoms have gone apart from the white tongue which is not yet back to what it was prior to the reaction. So basically I’m back to where i was at christmas which is really frustrating.

    Able900;36228 wrote: Jo, I know that you didn’t intentionally cheat with the small amount of milk and that it was strictly an accident, but I’m going to use this as an example of what can happen when someone on the protocol makes this mistake or intentionally cheats.

    First, I have to say that this is exactly why I wish some of the experts and members would stop telling the new members that a ‘little’ cheat now and then isn’t going to make that much difference. As you can see from Jo’s post, telling someone that cheating occasionally is actually good for your morale (or any other reason) is very bad advice. Jo mistakenly had one teaspoon of milk and now her treatment has been set back approximately six weeks, and it could take her another six weeks to get back to where she was at Christmas. Meanwhile, what’s happening? Well if you ask Jo, she’ll probably tell you that her morale isn’t so great right now and that she’s suffering physically. The point is; we do not know how badly a cheat or a mistake, no matter how small it is, is going to affect a member because it’s simply impossible to predict such a thing with individuals.

    #101341

    hope4eva77
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    well i am right where u are with this ,i have been stuck in a viscous cycle of starting the diet and then stopping it for 3 months !i think if we focus on the lil things like playing with our kids and giving hugs and music anything else that makes us happy it will be easier but this is hard as hell no matter what !

    what shayfo said is good just focus on the moment and not that it will be a long while before we can have a food . i honestly must say i never knew how emotionally connected to food i am untill now ,i have a sugar addiction just like any drug and it has to end today .i know the feeling of being determined and then a slip up happens leading to more and more destructive behavior .its aweful .

    its true everyone’s different we dont know how much one is going to be set back from fruit or any other food it has to be an individual decision to add fruit .i think a green apple every few days or blue berries will b ok with me as i dont react to them ,i react mainly to anything high in sugar or real starchy but i dont want to eat fruit everyday cuz i want a cure and im scared it may prolong that .

    goodluck we can do this !

    #101346

    serenedream
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    One teaspoon of milk sets someone back six weeks?! This response may not earn me any brownie points around here, but that was alarming to read. Don’t get me wrong, I am all for remaining strict and focused on the prize ahead.. but I mean, something SO tiny (and accidental) as a teaspoon of cow’s milk?

    A serving size is about one 8oz cup with a lactose sugar count of 9-12g of sugar. 48 teaspoons make up a cup… so one teaspoon of cow’s milk is [at best] 1g of sugar? It seems crazy to me that almost two months of progress is gone from such a miniscule amount. And while I want to get better, I would lose my sanity if I feared such strict parameters. I may have a more milder case recognizing CRC and my body’s difference almost instantly, but it is certainly alarming to read someone encountering something so small and being set back.

    #101347

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    hope4eva77;39844 wrote:

    what shayfo said is good just focus on the moment and not that it will be a long while before we can have a food . i honestly must say i never knew how emotionally connected to food i am untill now ,i have a sugar addiction just like any drug and it has to end today .i know the feeling of being determined and then a slip up happens leading to more and more destructive behavior .its aweful .

    its true everyone’s different we dont know how much one is going to be set back from fruit or any other food it has to be an individual decision to add fruit .i think a green apple every few days or blue berries will b ok with me as i dont react to them ,i react mainly to anything high in sugar or real starchy but i dont want to eat fruit everyday cuz i want a cure and im scared it may prolong that .

    goodluck we can do this !

    Hope, I live in CT too! I totally can relate to the emotional ties with food. When stressed, anxious, or depressed, it is much easier for me to reach for a Ben and Jerry’s pint than discuss my problems. I used to figure that I exercise daily, rarely drink, don’t smoke or do drugs, so what’s wrong with weekly indulgence? When I met my boyfriend, he was a moderate marijuana user and got me using it very casually. However, when we would smoke, talk about food binges and willpower out the window! All that evaporated and I would literally eat anything good I could find. This short pattern certainly abetted my current overgrowth.

    I agree, and hope that down the road a few months from now a slice of green apple or berries will be okay. That’s the tough part.. knowing that fruit is what mother nature provided us to eat and is labeled as eating clean and healthy, but regardless, its forbidden. I will do what it takes to overcome the overgrowth and who knows, maybe 6 months from now a few berries in my oat bran may be a possibility!

    #101348

    hope4eva77
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    I am back at square one and having a few berries in my oatbran just not everyday I also decided on almond butter and veggie crackers and sum brown rice pasta once a wk or so.

    I have found I am worse off than before I started right now with all my symptoms out of control. I am now determined to get back on track. I don’t see how a that small amount of milk would cause so much maybe it was something else going on with her. Regardless everyone is different and that comes right down to how strict we can b with diet but I do think it will probably take me a full year from now to heal and even then I should keep in mind a much healthier diet.

    #101352

    shayfo
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    serenedream;39849 wrote: One teaspoon of milk sets someone back six weeks?! This response may not earn me any brownie points around here, but that was alarming to read. Don’t get me wrong, I am all for remaining strict and focused on the prize ahead.. but I mean, something SO tiny (and accidental) as a teaspoon of cow’s milk?

    A serving size is about one 8oz cup with a lactose sugar count of 9-12g of sugar. 48 teaspoons make up a cup… so one teaspoon of cow’s milk is [at best] 1g of sugar? It seems crazy to me that almost two months of progress is gone from such a miniscule amount. And while I want to get better, I would lose my sanity if I feared such strict parameters. I may have a more milder case recognizing CRC and my body’s difference almost instantly, but it is certainly alarming to read someone encountering something so small and being set back.

    I doubt that it was the sugar content that hurt her. She may have an allergy or leaky gut intolerance to dairy that’s gotten more sensitive as her candida has been dying (it can leave even bigger holes in the intestines for a while as the “roots” die). My gluten allergy is extremely sensitive. I once ate some asparagus at a friend’s BBQ that had a pretty light amount of garlic salt that contained modified food starch (made of wheat) on it, and I was feeling repercussions for three weeks thereafter. Needless to say, I started checking the ingredients on everyone’s seasoning salts after that.

    #101377

    Loci
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    Kag,
    To answer your questions:

    Why can’t you have coconut milk?

    I do drink unsweetened coconut milk, but I meant next week will be hard while on vacation as it’s hard to come by coconut milk. Seems like cow’s milk and soy milk are the only options. Sounds like Disneyland is pretty good about letting people bring food in so that is a HUGE plus!!!!!!!

    With regards to diflucan. I see a yeast specialist. He’s located here in Colorado (Dr. Nicolas Nonas). I’m not big on taking Rx drugs though and for long period of time, but in order to help kill the yeast I will take it at this point. My liver function is totally fine so I just keep an eye on that. I also think probiotics are a HUGE plus. I can see a noticeable difference if I forget to take my probiotics.

    #101379

    Loci
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    Hope4eva77,

    I don’t think I have it as severe as I did last time. For me, 1 tsp of milk will not affect me in anyway (as someone posted above). A handful of M&Ms, well that’s a different story. However, I am not condoning cheating in any way. What works for one person, will not work for someone else. For instance, a dessert I have often is green apple chopped, with cinnamon, oats and some xylitol. It does not affect me in any way. I also have plain yogurt with coconut and xylitol. It definitely helps curb my sugar cravings. Not to mention I have a FABULOUS candida free chocolate cake recipe. It’s heaven. I just haven’t made it recently because we’re leaving on vacation, so I turned to chocolate instead.

    I don’t know why this time I cannot stop cheating. Last time I was super strict. Killed the candida and was cured of symptoms I carried for 4 years!!!!! This time, I just keep telling myself it’s only a couple day set back, when in reality I know I am doing MUCH more damage. Today is a new day. I started the day out great. Maybe we need to start some kind of daily check in. The great thing is, once you give up the sugar, you will stop craving it. The candida is causing these intense sugar cravings. I remember that after about 2 weeks last time. I had no desire to eat sugar because my body was killing the candida. I just need to keep telling myself that!

    #101380

    serenedream
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    Loci;39882 wrote: Hope4eva77,
    The great thing is, once you give up the sugar, you will stop craving it. The candida is causing these intense sugar cravings. I remember that after about 2 weeks last time. I had no desire to eat sugar because my body was killing the candida. I just need to keep telling myself that!

    So true! I used to constantly snack on miniature candy (50-80 calories) and now I am not even tempted. It takes a while, but the sugar cravings do subside.

    Loci, what’s that candida cake recipe? Does it abide by Able’s diet?

    #101382

    Loci
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    I also want to add that I have a severe gluten allergy which also lead to a casein allergy. I am not able to have any gluten, but was able to have dairy again after I healed my gut. Of course now with the candida I cannot have either dairy or gluten, but I agree with the previous poster that said that a tsp of milk creating a candida reaction that severe is not as probable as another culprit like casein or lactose intolerance.

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