Can you have die-off on diet alone???

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    orka1998
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    I am now living at a part of the world (Bosnia – Europe) which does not have a lot of things here mentioned available (molybdenum is nowhere to be found, nor any natural anti-fungal supplements), so I figured I would take it slow and just do the diet and see how it goes.

    History of the symptoms: I have chronic fatigue since last summer, had few recurring vaginal infections from summer to now, had some dizziness and irregular heart beats. Went on a annual checkup at the doctor’s: blood-work, urine, ultrasound of internal organs, breast, underarms, EKG, OBGYN check… everything fine, just the slightly elevated cholesterol (very little) and vaginal infection was found. So I went on to live my life further feeling more and more tired every day and having occasional dizziness followed by fast heartbeats, but would go away in a minute or two. Everyone (including doctors) tell me that I should be tired as I am a single mom of two-year-old twin girls and working hard, not sleeping enough and having a lot of stress. In October, my condition got worse and it got to the point that I could not finish vacuuming my living room as I would be out of breath and had a chest pain, dizziness, irregular heartbeat… Went to the doctor, they did an ultrasound of my heart and noticed higher blood pressure leading to the lungs. He gave me aspirin and some medicine for Angina Pectoris (that was the suspect at the moment). Four days later I had a feeling I am loosing my consciousness and I was short of breath and finally after few hours of it not stopping went to the emergency room. They sent me to the hospital for diagnostic tests. During my stay at the hospital I got diarrhea which never stopped until a week ago. Hospital let me go home with corr comp. During the hospital stay, I started having trouble while walking in the hallways, like I had balance problem etc. Next they sent me to neurologist, he also kept me in the hospital for diagnostic. 10 days later they did not find anything. I had MRI of my head and neck area, I have problems in my neck (one disk hernia and one disk bulged) but that does not explain diarrhea if it does the dizziness at all. I was diagnosed with a balance disorder and got Betaserc 24mg, and Ginko to expand the blood vessels around the inner ear. This helped with nausea and I started to eat more, but still it didn’t seemed that I did eat anything. In the mean time I had a lymph node infection and got a strong antibiotic (1000mg 2xday for 10 days). My diarrhea kind of stopped first two days I was on antibiotic and then came back with a vengeance. Finally as I lost 20 lbs and it seemed as I don’t keep any food or liquid it just passes through me, I went to the doctor again and he sent me to the infectologist (specialist for infectious diseases) who ordered stool sample tests and blood-work. One out of three stools I gave showed 25% of candida species. I also had a mention of bronchitis on one of the X-Rays of my lungs taken during diagnostic, so I went to pulmologist (lung specialist, don’t really know the word for it) who said that I do have bronchitis and that I should take another set of antibiotics and gave me the same as I took for lymph infection. While taking that I got high fever, body aches, all flu-like symptoms and thought I will die for sure. So I got tired of going to the doctors, didn’t want to deal with any of the synthetic medications which are mostly harmful to the liver, run into this web site, read few more on the subject and figured I should try the diet. It seemed much healthier for me anyway. For years I ate very similar to this, but had carbs in the morning (cereal) and would have starchy vegetable as well (carrots, potatoes, beans…). I don’t have much of the sweet tooth, never have, although I had periods where I ate a lot of sweets, as if I somehow had to.

    Now that I am on the diet, two weeks yesterday, even though I managed to find most of the alternative grains (big surprise but we do have one store that has this kind of stuff), I was unable to find any anti-fungal or molybdenum. I do try to eat as much as possible of natural anti-fungal that were listed here (garlic, coconut chips – couldn’t find oil, pumpkin seeds, oregano – not oil but just the spice, etc…), the ones I do have available here, but I am not taking anything else. I take 2000mg of vitamin C daily, 200IU of E, 300mg of magnesium, biotin (started 900 mcg, but then reduced to 300mcg daily thinking that this might be a problem), AD3 drops (1 drop contains 180iu of A and 60 IU of D3, I take 20 drops a day), B-complex (combination of common B vitamins, but no biotin) twice a day (it says you can take up to 3 on the box), Betaserc (betahistinum) 2 x day and Ginkgo 80mg 1 x day which were prescribed to me for the inner ear disorder (which I wonder now if it was candida related and nothing else).

    I had trouble with breakfast on this diet. I got used to cereal for years, when I got sick in October, I couldn’t swallow my cereal so I had to switch to white bread (never liked it besides when I was pregnant!) with butter. Now I either eat two eggs or a bowl of amaranth/quinoa/millet cooked with butter and salt. Lunch is either big salad (lettuce, raw broccoli, raw cauliflower, boiled egg or chicken, lemon, salt, spices), or some kind of combination of allowed alternative grains (sometimes brown rice) or meat and vegetables. Similar for dinner.

    I eat okra, broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, zucchini, sauerkraut (whole head homemade, no cheating), garlic, onion, eggplant, pepper, brussel sprouts, lettuce, chicken, beef, turkey meet, beef liver, lemon. I snack on pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, walnuts, almonds, hazelnuts, coconut chips. I figured out how to make buckwheet bread, it’s dry but with butter I can swallow it. I make homemade kefir and drink yogurt. I use sunflower and olive oil and butter.

    So with what I placed above, why do I feel so week? My muscles feel like after a hard workout (weak). I have pain in my back but have no strength to do my Pilates exercise which maintains the discus hernia in lower back I have from 6 years ago. I lost more weight while on diet and have only one positive to report, which is that my stools are getting harder even though I can still sometimes have 3-4 stools a day, generally in the morning and then it stops by noon.

    Now, I don’t have any more fat to loose. I now look pretty anorexic (hope I don’t offend anyone with this comparison). I don’t have a scale in house but I think I dropped 10 more lbs in the last month on top of 20 that I do know for sure I lost. I am worried if I can maintain this diet and if the symptoms I have are die-off or I am not eating enough. I feel hungry, weak and dizzy most of the day and generally symptoms get better by the evening. Is this normal? I also have something resembling an eczema on my hands, and broken skin on anal opening. My vaginal infection seems like it has cleared but will know for sure after my period I have now (which was about a week early). Has anyone else reported something similar to what I have? Maybe I cannot do this without everything you listed, mainly without molybdenum?

    I know I’ve written a lot of text here, but I am looking for any kind of advice and wanted to give a bit of a history. I don’t think I have this problem for long time (I mean candida), maybe since last summer it started to go out of control. I did have vaginal infections and pretty much constant discharge most of my life. A doctor in US just explained to me that this is how it is, some women just have it like that.

    I am tired of going from doctor to doctor and I think that they can’t find anything because it’s candida (which showed up in stool sample). Doctors here do not really believe in candida infestation yet, so I honestly didn’t even try to talk to them. I am tired to be looked like crazy, almost all of them repeat the same thing: it’s stress. I figured this diet is good for me, it will help me cleanse my body, but I am having it tough right now and am worried that I don’t know how to do this. I didn’t do the detox stage because I have to work and take care of kids, I would not be able to do this on the detox so I skipped it. I also don’t have available the supplements I need for detox so I gave up on it. Was I wrong? I figured it will just take me longer on the diet to cleanse, but didn’t count on feeling so week and not being able to do my work and take care of kids. Their energy just scares me these days!

    Thankful for anything anyone has to offer, advice, experience, support? I have nobody to pat me on the back and I have nobody to talk to about this as most people didn’t even hear about candida and first question is “Can I get it from you? How do you get that?”

    #73098

    orka1998
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    I realized my post is way to long so I wanted to clarify my question. I skipped the detox (single mom with small kids makes it impossible to do) and now I’m two weeks into the strict diet. My current symptoms are: dizziness, lightheaded, numbing of hands/legs – weakness in them, elevated heartbeats, tiredness, occasional moodiness, soft stools (sometimes), itchy skin, extremely dry skin, dry/patchy skin on hands especially between fingers and braking skin, occasional pain under ribs on left side or little lower on the right side (I do have some sand in left kidney), extremely dry mouth feeling of not having any saliva produced (it gets better throughout the day) and constant thirst that cannot be quenched as if I ate lot of salt which I don’t.

    Now, most of these are listed as the die-off symptoms but I am worried about the weakness in the muscles and numbing of my arms and legs, especially if I cross my legs my foot will fall asleep very quickly.

    Has anyone experienced this during die-off? And more importantly, besides taking probiotic and drinking Kefir, I am not taking any angi-fungal supplements so I didn’t really expect the die-off. Is that possible?

    #73099

    raster
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    It sounds like these are fairly typical die-off symptoms. I experienced many, if not all of the symptoms you mentioned. The reason we recommend natural antifungals is to speed up the process of killing the candida so that the die-off period is as short as possible. Since you cannot get these strong ones in Bosnia, the weaker natural ones work just fine.

    All veggies from the onion family have antifungal properties, natural oils such as olive oil/coconut oil/cod liver oil/castor oil also have antifungal properties. Probiotics and the diet alone can cause die-off. Sounds like things are progressing just fine.

    If you cannot get molybdenum in Bosnia, there are alternative ways to help with die-off. One is to get any other anti-oxident supplement in general, these can help detox the toxins from the body. The other idea is to sweat out the toxins via steam room, sauna, hot tub, or even a hot bath…this can completely reduce or eliminate die-off symptoms.

    Since you are doing things in a more natural “slower” way, the die-off can persist for a longer period of time. It could last over a month or longer depending on the strength.

    If you can purchase anything online to fight candida, I would consider getting some SF722 undecenoic acid by thorne research, a strong high strain high count probiotic (we recommend ones with DDS-1), teff flour (for weight gain), and coconut oil.

    If you have any kind of african or ethiopian market or restaurant, you should look into teff for weight gain properties. You can make a good nutritious bread if you combine it with almond meal, coconut flour, or buckwheat flour (or even rice bran if you aren’t allergic).

    I would try to eat more foods if possible from the allowed foods list as well. Try your best to eat 3-4 course meals.

    -raster

    #73106

    Thomas
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    Hi Orka1998

    I lost a lot of weight too and looked very sick, like bones with a little skin. But the loosing weight stopped when I was eating more AND very important baked our bread we have here in the receipt section

    http://www.thecandidadiet.com/forum/yaf_postsm4342_Coconut-Flour-Bread.aspx#post4342

    Can you not order from the states like from companies like iherb?

    http://www.iherb.com/Solgar-Chelated-Molybdenum-100-Tablets/14473?at=0

    all the best and a speed return to health!!
    yours
    thomas

    #73120

    orka1998
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    Thanks to both of you for your responses.

    Raster: Thank you so much for confirming that these symptoms are most likely caused by die-off. I was getting worried that I am sicker and something else is the problem. I figured that it will take me longer doing this naturally, but also hoped that the die-off will not be as strong if I am taking it easy with antifungals. I guess I just have to stick it out. My worry is my kids, my work, it’s affecting my life a lot. But then again, the candida is as well. If I’m going to be any kind of good mother to those kids, I must get rid of this thing once an for all. The winter is pretty tough this year, very low temperatures and tons of snow making this diet even more difficult (I think this is why probably my calorie intake is not enough). I did notice that my body just screams for food and when I manage to eat enough I tend to get a little better. Like tonight I ate cream of broccoli/cauliflower/quinoa/celeriac soup with yoghurt instead of milk or sour cream and a huge salad (huge beyond huge). It took me 45 minutes to chew through it and I put lettuce, broccoli, cauliflower, cooked quinoa, chicken breast, cooked egg, olive oil, spices and apple vinegar. After about 45 minutes I had around 400ml of homemade kefir and i felt better after it, but the whole meal took 2 hours! I guess I just have to make a commitment to eat all day long ha-ha. Ever since I got the kids I am the last one on my list to take care of, probably why I got where I am, but looks like I will need to be a little selfish until I get out of this mess.

    Thomas: I looked at that coconut bread recipe and it sounds great. One clarification I need: the coconut flour they sell here is kind of granular, not really looking like flour. Is this the same? I have it here, but didn’t seem that I can make a bread out of it. I managed to make buckwheat bread, and even though it looks so nice, like a chocolate cake, smelled great while baking because I put butter in it, but it’s so dry and tasteless and I can tell it doesn’t give me any energy at all. Plus in the mornings my mouth is so dry I put that bread in my mouth and nothing happens, like I put sand in my mouth. I would gladly trade it in for your coconut bread! I was never much of bread eater and got criticized all the time for it (Bosnians eat bread with almost any meal, and a lot of it) and I would be perfectly fine if I was allowed cereal and milk, but we know that’s out of the question 🙂 Now I miss the bread because I’m out of alternative. For now I just alternate one of the allowed grains out of which millet is the best as it resembles cornmeal and feels filling.

    As for ordering from US, I thought about it, but the bottle of Molybdenum costs around $7 and shipping it costs $25! I am on a low budget since I am stretching one salary each month. I am searching for something closer, but haven’t found anything yet. I was looking for Candida Clear as well, but didn’t find it online even though I found on some Serbian forums mention of it so I’m thinking they must have it there. I am looking for someone who can purchase it for me over there and send it over (this is neighboring country so shipping should be fairly inexpensive).

    Oh how I miss living in US at times like these! Almost any corner you can by anything you need. I’m kind of frustrated right now.

    Thanks to both on encouraging words and great advice! I guess I really needed a pat on the back as I feel so alone in this. Thanks much!

    #73125

    raster
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    I think you may be able to make bread out of millet (FYI). I hear you on just the buckwheat bread by itself, it probably doesn’t taste very good. Try making it like the coconut bread recipe but with buckwheat flour instead and this might be an upgrade.

    If you can find ghee or make it at home, this would be a healthier upgrade to butter.

    -raster

    #73130

    Thomas
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    you can make your own milk from sweet almonds. You take 2 dl of almonds and pure cocking water over them. Let is cool down so you can easily peal of the skin. Then you take the almonds in a blender and put a little water to taste in. If you want it creamy you have little water and if you want it more like milk have a little more. Experiment with it. Run it on high speed and voila you have your own milk.

    Dont you have friends left from your time in the states? They might ship it easier to you? Its often much cheaper involving friends who buy the stuff in the shop and send it to you.

    yours
    Thomas

    #73162

    orka1998
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    Thank you raster! I didn’t have millet flour but just the grains, but after reading your post, I googled and found instructions how to easily make flour out of millet. Apparently you just soak it overnight, dry in oven and then just grind it up. I will try this next.

    Thomas: I just made the coconut bread and I must say what an upgrade from buckwheat bread!!! Thank you! I’ve been snacking on it all day. I will try to mix it up with millet next and see how it turns out. I will also try to grind up the coconut flour I have to get better consistency of the bread. Right now it’s just a salty version of Rafaello snack 🙂 Don’t mind it but I have a feeling it would taste better ground up.

    I didn’t have time to try the almond milk yet, but will do that next. I am doing so much cooking (different dishes for myself and kids) I run out of time and strength pretty fast. In the end my kids end up eating half of my lunch/dinner after finishing theirs hahahaha…

    I have many friends in states but last time I asked my friend to send me a DVD I purchased from e-bay I didn’t get it yet. I ordered it about a month ago… I think I will try to find it closer and just have it shipped 2-day or overnight mail.

    I must say that I am feeling better today. I’m still a little dizzy and not at my full strength but not as weak. I did have two breakfast, snack and lunch so maybe I just need to make sure that I eat enough. Or the die-off is easing up finally. I had a pretty garlicky lunch so maybe it all flares up again… Who knows… I am at better mood today than yesterday so that’s a big plus 🙂

    Thanks again to both of you on a great advice and support!

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