Antifungals – Diflucan vs. Natural Remedies? Die Off? HELP!

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  • #97873

    spectrum
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    Hi – Im hoping someone can help me.

    I am a 28 year old female who has suffered with chronic IBS for 10+ years. I grew up on a heavy sugar diet and have never been able to put on weight.

    I have been on the Candida diet for 10 months, taking antifungals . Very strict. I was feeling amazing for months with minimum pain. my daily routine was the below:

    Morning: Bowl of greek yoghurt with oat bran + 1 x probiotic & 1 x Vit B12 tablet.
    Morning Tea: A packet of gluten free unflavoured brown rice crackers. I would take either a grapefruit seed extract capsule, a Swiss ‘Yeast Care’ tablet or 2 x ‘Kolorex Candida Care’ capsules.
    Lunch: Chicken Breast with Brown rice, baby spinach, cucumber & lemon juice.
    Afternoon Tea: Handful of almonds.
    Dinner: A variety of Candida Diet Recipes usually just plain meat marinated with fresh garlic and herbs, steamed brocolli and roast pumpkin.
    Dessert: A cup of peppermint tea sweetened with Stevia and a glass of Movicol (laxative) before bed.

    All was going well with no issues. Probably only experiencing stomach cramps and old
    IBS symptoms once a month if i was unlucky. I thought I had found the answer. Then I started seeing a highly recommended specialist for some female-specific symptoms who believes I have chronic thrush, although all tests came back negative for Thrush, the doctor still prescribed me Diflucan and I have been taking 1 x 50mg tablet every evening for the past 3 months, instead of the herbal anti fungals, and now for the past 2 months my symptoms have slowly returned. Getting worse each time an ‘attack’ happens and no relief of my female-specific symptoms. Now Im starting to get upset & depressed as I had so much hope for this diet. I am being so strict and would just love a piece of chocolate cake or mars bar but i have come so far and dont want to reverse any hard work.

    Does anyone know if this is just die-off symptoms? Or could it be that the herbal remedies worked better for me? not sure what to do and i am yet to find a doctor who wants to help me. Most do not want to listen once i drop the word DIET.

    Any advice is appreciated.
    Thank you.

    #97876

    mrs.candida
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    my daily routine was the below:

    Does that mean this is not your current daily routine?

    now for the past 2 months my symptoms have slowly returned. Getting worse each time an ‘attack’ happens and no relief of my female-specific symptoms. Now Im starting to get upset & depressed as I had so much hope for this diet.

    Does something happen to trigger an “attack”?

    It’s perfectly normal to feel symptoms of Candida while you are killing the Candida. I feel great when I take no antifungals and eat a clean diet, but that’s not killing the Candida, it’s only letting it be and not feeding it.

    Of course you’ll want to consider taking the rice and almonds out of your diet. Try replacing the rice with whole Buckwheat.

    #97882

    spectrum
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    Thanks for getting back to me.

    Sorry, that is still my daily routine except now instead of taking the herbal antifungals i take the diflucan 50mg (in the evening).

    I keep trying to pin it on something, like lack of sleep, but i think I’m really trying hard to blame something. I went approx 4 months without any stomach cramps, diarrhea or constipation about 3 months in on the diet and now it seems to be going back to its old ways.

    I dont really have the almonds everyday just when my hunger is insane, as i know they have the mould & some sugars.

    I dont think i could cope without the brown rice. I am ferociously hungry all day as it is and i feel the rice is the only thing that keeps me feeling fed. i will try the whole buckwheat – i will try anything! Before going on this diet I couldn’t even finish a small meal but now i never leave anything on my plate.

    #97888

    alexalgebra
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    Have you tried making coconut bread? There are a bunch of recipes on here, but it’s pretty simple, filling, and tasty. I totally get the hunger thing, but the rice is probably feeding the candida. You’ll adjust after a week or 2 without it, just make sure you can eat constantly (veggies, buckwheat bread, eggs, etc)

    #97899

    fixme
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    Taking the probiotics with gse within the same time frame (2 hours) is counterproductive. The gse kills bacteria, bad and good(from probiotic.) Are you following the websites protocol? It recommends a really good probiotic, 3 antifungals, and kefir. Have you tried the strict forum diet?

    #97915

    raster
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    What are you taking to prevent the die off toxins from damaging your kidneys and liver?

    -raster

    #97922

    Kag
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    I think Diflucan has a whole host of side effects that an herbal antifungal wouldn’t necessarily have. I would go off the the diflucan. If you don’t think you have thrush and you have been feeling okay, may I ask why you went to the doctor?

    #97932

    jereseib79
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    If I were to guess I would say you are either having some side effects from taking the diflucan for an extended period or your yeast has become resistant against it and its no long working. I would stop the diflucan, there are numerous natural anti-fungals you can take that are just as effective without side effects.

    You need to make sure you rotate anti-fungals though as the yeast will become resistant to the same ones if you take them for too long.

    #97937

    spectrum
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    Wow thanks for all your comments. Apologies for my long response.

    alexalgebra – I tried making coconut bread but it tasted really eggy to me. I bought some buckwheat today and am going to try that with my lunch tomorrow instead of brown rice. I am looking for buckwheat flour so I can make the bread & some pancakes but unfortunately my local health food store is under renovation at the moment so I will have to go to another one on the weekend. Is Buckwheat flour okay? Organic of course…

    fixme – I was taking the probiotic approx 3 hours prior to the GSE as I have read that GSE can kill the good bacteria. I am following the strict diet now and have been for 10 months (since Easter Monday). I was only taking one anti fungal a day and it seemed to be working well.

    raster – I was taking Milk Thistle in the morning with my probiotic & a Vitamin B12 (as I am B12 deficient) but I found once I started taking the Milk Thistle I was feeling worse but this could have been because of the Diflucan as it was around the same time (3 months ago).

    Kag – I was referred to a specialist as my doctor thought I had vaginismus. The specialist believed I didnt have vaginismus but it was instead chronic thrush which had started inside my digestive system. Unfortunately the Candida Diet was not helping my vagismus-like symptoms so I needed to get a professional opinion. Trust me I didnt want to change my routine as it was working quite well.

    jereseib79 – I think you are right. I am going back to see the specialist who prescribed me the diflucan on Thursday and hopefully she will say I can come off them though the symptoms I was experiencing that drove her to prescribe me diflucan are still there and have not improved.
    The specialist said there was little point in taking the herbal anti fungals whilst on diflucan because diflucan should kill off the “yeast overgrowth”. I might start back on the herbal antifungals anyway – do you think that taking both herbal and prescription antifungals at the same time would hurt?

    The symptoms I am experiencing include severe stomach cramps, nausea & diahrea. I was not experiencing these symptoms until about 6 weeks after I started on the Diflucan.

    Thanks for your help.

    #97938

    spectrum
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    Sorry also, is there such thing as having too much Greek Yoghurt? I do eat a lot of that as I love it! I have it with Organic Oat Bran in the mornings and plain in the early evening whilst im waiting for my dinner to cook.

    #97939

    Kag
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    Hey Spectrum, I have had a lot of gynecological problems but I do not know what vagismus is… Can you describe symptoms? There may be something else you could do for it.

    I agree that maybe your yeast has become resistant. But what you describe can also be side effects from diflucan. I have had all that and a headache with it to boot.

    #97941

    Kag
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    Okay, oops, just read up on vaginismus, sounds terrible. Let me know if you would like me to post some of the products that I am trying right now for problems like this. And if you wouldn’t mind, how old are you? I am 44 and have noticed that things have been more difficult “down there” since I have gotten older.

    #97948

    alexalgebra
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    buckwheat flour is a-ok, it’s just recommended to test it first (but if you’re testing regular buckwheat, it should be the same? I think?). I have a couple of buckwheat recipes posted in the bread section – there’s a really healthful one for garlic herb drop biscuits. all of the ingredients in it, pretty much, i added for their medicinal qualities (except the herbs are just kinda for taste, cause, y’know…yum! 😉 )

    #97951

    vcast
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    I can never tell whether its a relapse or a die off myself. So I re-inspect my entire diet everytime this crap happens to me.

    Some ideas that have worked very well in controlling the Candida:

    1) Make sure you are using pure, organic Stevia (stay away from brands like Truvia that add Erythritol or additives). These gave me IBS and my GI tract out.

    2) Try taking your probiotics on an empty stomach not when you eat (I mostly take them between meals and right before sleep). By far the most effective probiotic for me was Saccharromyces Boulardi. This strain will NOT be killed by your ordinary anti-fungal or anti-biotics and this specific strain eats the Candida faster and better than any other strain.

    3) Consider taking all rice out of your diet to see if you improve. Same thing with bran. In my case, I reacted badly to rice and later I acquired some kind of allergy to brans and wheats.

    4) Careful with nuts or dried fruit: I was told that some contain high levels of fungi or mold. I switched to frozen/fresh fruits and toasted most of my nuts.

    #97953

    spectrum
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    Hi Kag, I am 28 years old and I have had symptoms which appear to be Vaginismus for approx 24 months. My doctor referred me to a website called caredownthere.com.au which co-incedentaly suggests the candida diet.

    Thanks Alexalgebra – I will check out your recipes. I love herbs and id love some variety in my diet. im sick of getting those sympathetic looks in the lunch room (although i cant say im having sugar cravings anymore… i have passed that point).

    vcast – Thats interesting. Im currently using ‘Natvia’ (aussie brand) and i have just read the packet which states the ingredients as “erythritol, Steviol Glycosides Proprietary Blend (23%). I will switch products when i visit the health food store. thats a shame because it cost me a fair bit!

    I will change up my timing for taking probiotics as currently i am taking it straight after breakfast. I dont like taking at night because thats when i take Movicol, if I dont take Movicol i dont go to the bathroom at all so i cant stop taking that unfortunately.

    No more rice. Ouch that hurts but i guess i better try it.

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