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    dvjorge
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    Hi guys,
    Someone asked me by email about candida colonies attaching to the intestinal epithelium.

    I thought to bring the topic here since it deserves an interesting analysis. Please, understand that I am doing it to wake up your mind about many things that candida sufferers don’t know why they are happening. I have made a lot of mistakes myself during my journey but have studied a lot it to put the things together. Please, I am not perfect, neither a candida specialist. It has taken me 4 years researching every day to understand a little bit this syndrome. One time you get the knowledge, everything begin to makes sense.

    I have been across many posts from women who doesn’t understand why her vaginal candidiasis doesn’t respond to Fluconazole or any other systemic drug when your neighbor responds with only one Diflucan tablet. This has a reason, immune suppression.

    This is WHY MDs are so hard to convince that you have candidiasis when your blood works don’t show anything. They don’t understand why you are immune suppressed, neither think you are.
    The immune suppression candida sufferers experience is caused by the amount of toxins the body is facing coming from candida and sometimes heavy metals. Mannan, a kind of carbohydrate release by candida has an extraordinary immune suppression power. All these things are polarizing the immune system toward Th2 and leaving Th1 inactive.

    Anyway,
    Yes, I have seen myself how some candida colonies attach to the epithelium and feed with blood. I have taken pictures of some of them I have passed out during the enemas. Those colonies are the only one that justify the use of a systemic drug during the treatment.

    The problem is when is the right time to use that drug ??

    In my own experience, I have seen how some well planned treatments I followed failed. I used a lot of powerful Rx systemic drugs to cure a chronic penile candidiasis. It was not possible because I was severely immune suppressed caused by a HUGE amount of candida colonies in my colon. Drugs don’t work without the immune system.

    So, what is the right moment to take them ?? IMO, when you have reached the point where your immune system has been unloaded and is more balanced. It doesn’t make any sense to bombard your body with Rx drugs that have side effects when your body isn’t in condition of responding. It is the immune system first and the drugs second as a helper.
    The helper don’t win the battle alone.

    Resuming, when people get a good plan to destroy candida colonies living in the colon (the headquarter), and they chelate mercury if it was the case, you are going to experience a balance in your immune response. This is the moment when unresponsive thrush or a chronic vaginal candidiasis respond to one Diflucan tablet like normal people experience. This is also the moment when those candida filaments attached to the intestinal lining can be treated with a systemic drug and eliminated. Before, all you can do is alleviate your symptoms and manage it.

    I hope this help to the picture you have to create yourself in order to understand this syndrome.

    Jorge.

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    ItsmeSonia
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    I found your topic very interesting. I was just debating whether to take the Diflucan my doctor ordered. I have issues with trush and what seems to be candida in my lungs as far as I know. Everytime I take a an anti fungal, I get a lot of die off symptoms. I wasn’t diagnosed early on and the last two months have been horrible. I’m taking things a little slower now. In my desperate attempt to find out what was going on, I went to a natural path who put me on homeopathics for candida.. My immune system has been compromised. Some days are good and some not…I’ve been looking at this website and it has been very helpful. I tried the Nystatin a week ago and had horrible brain fog and scary die off symptoms. I’m cautious to try the Diflucan. Will I have the same die off symptoms as Nystatin? I’m on a no sugar diet but feeling kinda weak. Sleep hasn’t been the greatest. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks[/size][/size][/size]

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    dvjorge
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    ItsmeSonia wrote: I found your topic very interesting. I was just debating whether to take the Diflucan my doctor ordered. I have issues with trush and what seems to be candida in my lungs as far as I know. Everytime I take a an anti fungal, I get a lot of die off symptoms. I wasn’t diagnosed early on and the last two months have been horrible. I’m taking things a little slower now. In my desperate attempt to find out what was going on, I went to a natural path who put me on homeopathics for candida.. My immune system has been compromised. Some days are good and some not…I’ve been looking at this website and it has been very helpful. I tried the Nystatin a week ago and had horrible brain fog and scary die off symptoms. I’m cautious to try the Diflucan. Will I have the same die off symptoms as Nystatin? I’m on a no sugar diet but feeling kinda weak. Sleep hasn’t been the greatest. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks[/size][/size][/size]

    Did you read my post Understanding Candida Related Complex ??
    That one will help you to understand this syndrome. I am planning to write a topic about the antifungals and their limitations to help people decide what route they want to get. I have a lot of things I can say about them and why actual treatments fail many times. I will also present alternatives to overcome it.

    Jorge.

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    tpain
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    DV,

    Do you plan on using nystatin or diflucan orally soon?

    #86902

    dvjorge
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    tpain wrote: DV,

    Do you plan on using nystatin or diflucan orally soon?

    No. I really don’t need them orally now. I have used them, specially Nystatin.

    Jorge.

    #86905

    tpain
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    Do you think its possible without the diet? Anytime I do the diet and then stop I get really bad for a LONG time.

    dvjorge wrote:

    DV,

    Do you plan on using nystatin or diflucan orally soon?

    No. I really don’t need them orally now. I have used them, specially Nystatin.

    Jorge.

    #86906

    dvjorge
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    tpain wrote: Do you think its possible without the diet? Anytime I do the diet and then stop I get really bad for a LONG time.

    DV,

    Do you plan on using nystatin or diflucan orally soon?

    No. I really don’t need them orally now. I have used them, specially Nystatin.

    Jorge.

    I am not clear what are you asking me.
    Anyway, the diet is critical in any candida protocol. The diet is your number 1 priority, followed by any other treatment.

    If you eat what feed the fungus, nothing works.

    Jorge.

    #86924

    tpain
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    Jorge,

    If someone is doing the enemas without nystatin, should we hold our last enema overnight as well?

    Have you started to introduce any foods that are not part of a candida diet?

    How long should each enema be held?

    #86937

    dvjorge
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    tpain wrote: Jorge,

    If someone is doing the enemas without nystatin, should we hold our last enema overnight as well?

    Have you started to introduce any foods that are not part of a candida diet?

    How long should each enema be held?

    Of course, NO. The retention enema is to hold the medication inside and allow it to work. You don’t need to hold water inside.
    Do water enemas only. They will work. Candida colonies are on the mucus layer that protect the colon walls. They can not resist a tsunami every day or every other day inside the colon. They will be pushed out by the water. Candida don’t have any solid way to stick inside when a growth river is coming out. There is another interesting point about water. The colon is an anaerobic place ( no or few oxygen), and inside the biofilms, is also anaerobic. Medicine has identified that candida albicans is at least 4 times more resistant to antifungals when it lives in an anaerobic environment. The water is very rich in oxygen so it may help to counteract it.

    Moreover, candida biofilm matrix is mostly glucose that is water soluble. May the water help to disrupt it and uncover the cells ?? May be.

    Regarding to your friendly flora, don’t worry a bit. I have been doing enemas using around 3/4 of gallon of water almost every day for months. If enemas are washing out my flora, I am the first man in this world that will be happy to live without the friendly flora because I feel fantastic, totally normal as I was before this nightmare happened to me. Don’t believe in myths.

    Jorge.

    #86942

    Javizy
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    dvjorge wrote: Regarding to your friendly flora, don’t worry a bit. I have been doing enemas using around 3/4 of gallon of water almost every day for months. If enemas are washing out my flora, I am the first man in this world that will be happy to live without the friendly flora because I feel fantastic, totally normal as I was before this nightmare happened to me. Don’t believe in myths.

    This is the one thing that bothers me about what you’re suggesting. What happens when you stop? People here have reported feeling awesome after a colonic and return to feeling absolute shite within a week. How do you know you can maintain what you’ve achieved long-term when you stop the enemas? If you seriously had washed away your flora, you’d just be holding off the inevitable (I’m not saying you have, but you suggested the possibility).

    I’d like to see you stop the enemas and return to what you consider a normal diet and lifestyle before judging your ideas. If you remain symptom free indefinitely, then obviously you’ve achieved success, but I find it hard to get excited without that evidence. Others have eliminated their symptoms for long periods with other methods only to have their problems return with a vengeance.

    #86952

    dvjorge
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    Javizy wrote:

    Regarding to your friendly flora, don’t worry a bit. I have been doing enemas using around 3/4 of gallon of water almost every day for months. If enemas are washing out my flora, I am the first man in this world that will be happy to live without the friendly flora because I feel fantastic, totally normal as I was before this nightmare happened to me. Don’t believe in myths.

    This is the one thing that bothers me about what you’re suggesting. What happens when you stop? People here have reported feeling awesome after a colonic and return to feeling absolute shite within a week. How do you know you can maintain what you’ve achieved long-term when you stop the enemas? If you seriously had washed away your flora, you’d just be holding off the inevitable (I’m not saying you have, but you suggested the possibility).

    I’d like to see you stop the enemas and return to what you consider a normal diet and lifestyle before judging your ideas. If you remain symptom free indefinitely, then obviously you’ve achieved success, but I find it hard to get excited without that evidence. Others have eliminated their symptoms for long periods with other methods only to have their problems return with a vengeance.

    Javizy,
    I have been doing the enemas for around 5 or more months. What has happened is I feel better and better progressively. I am not the first who did it. Remi96 and Johnny Vegas, two curezone posters that were looking for answers did the same years ago. They have returned to the forum occasionally to tell people they are living a normal life eating what they want. There are many cases who have reported it in curezone during the 90’s and early 00’s. They were my inspiration to do it. So far, I am a mirror of what they reported. Michelle (Remi96) was a year doing the enemas every day. Enemas don’t remove the flora, and if it does, you get a new one. There isn’t an universal human flora. People in Asia have a kind, in South America, another, and so on. Everywhere in the world people enjoy health, so it imply that there isn’t a MUST have kind of specie in your gut. I am convinced you know it because you have researched Genoma Proyect Articles. Javizy, the flora is important, very important, but we have been responsible of overrated it. We need an intestinal flora there is no doubt, but we should no fear of it. It changes, varies, and is possible to modulate and regain it if it is necessary.

    The flora changes with the diet even when some bacteria dominate. It makes me think that there isn’t a required kind of bacteria to be healthy. If the enemas remove some or most, other will take place.

    http://healthland.time.com/2011/09/06/gut-bugs-they-are-what-you-eat/

    People from different parts of the world have different flora composition. Does it mean I am healthier than someone living in Europe ?? I don’t think so. People enjoy health in spite of a variation in the flora composition. What CAN NOT be in the colon is an overgrowth of candida. As far as bacteria, there are hundreds that can be there. My mother is 87 y/o, thanks god, and she have done many enemas in her life. During the 40s, she did many every time she had an upset stomach. Enemas are known and used since many years ago.

    You know this article:
    http://ec.europa.eu/research/headlines/news/article_11_05_19_en.html

    Jorge.

    #86953

    tpain
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    I do understand the importance of a proper candida diet, but I still think the results MAY be achievable without it. If you are really hitting the candida that hard, the body may be able to recover without the assistance from a diet. Please don’t take this post as anything other than an idea.

    #86954

    dvjorge
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    tpain wrote: I do understand the importance of a proper candida diet, but I still think the results MAY be achievable without it. If you are really hitting the candida that hard, the body may be able to recover without the assistance from a diet. Please don’t take this post as anything other than an idea.

    I have thought the same thing many times. I have recovered following a very strict diet and can not say there aren’t some candida colonies or cells living in the lower part of the small bowel where the enemas don’t reach.

    One thing I am sure, the enemas delivery the poison in the place where MOST candida colonies are living. Enemas remove the colonies because there is a water flow going out and your colon propels it hard.

    Dr.Truss invented the diet in an effort to assist oral antifungals because he knew its limitations and how difficult is to reach the colon with oral medicines. This is the reason and the origin of the anticandida diet.

    I want to write a post about the antifungals explaining its limitations and why current treatments are so ineffective. That will be my most informative post ever because that conclusion was what took me to find alternatives and to recover.

    Jorge.

    #86986

    CK1
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    dvjorge, I am one of those women that have been taking fluconazole twice daily for over a month and still have recurring yeast infections. So you’re saying this is because my immune system has been compromised? I feel fine though. Or at least think I feel fine…Is there something I should/shouldn’t be doing so that it will work? Or take something else? I was originally planning on taking the flucanozole twice daily for 2 months, which I had been recommended to. That seems like an awfully long time though and I wonder if the candida would just become resistant to it.

    Also, regarding the enemas, will it benefit both people with constipation and diarrhea? Or would it make diarrhea worse?

    Thanks for all the information, recommendation, and advice you provide!

    #86994

    Doggiemama
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    well to get off the subject of enemas and talk straight about diflucan. i started taking diflucan the same time i started the diet and loading up on all the antifungals, vitamins etc. i took it for around 6 weeks. i Actually DO think it helped with getting a good start on helping with the candida. With that said, i felt it wasnt able to do much more when for one..it wreaks havoc on your liver and two, i had enough other things i was putting into my body to help me. The diet for the first two weeks, made me VERY weak. i had a hard time even walking across the room. after the first two weeks, it got a little better but i was still weak for up to about 6 weeks..after that i got most all of my strength back… i have days when i feel weak but mostly, i am ok. and my chronic fatigue is gone also. thats been great. i still battle with some dizziness and headaches nearly every day still..hoping it will get better soon. so thats my story on diflucan and where i am at. i am a little over 3 months into my diet.

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