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    xday2dazex
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    So I know this is a candida forum but I’m pretty sure I’ve been having some adrenal issues that have interfered with my treatment. It’s happened about 3 times now that I’ve had total physical breakdowns and been left useless for days after a heavy load of stress/work. Each time I had to cut back on my antifungals, and once even on my probiotics because the exhaustion was too strong and die off went from manageable to hell on top of the fatigue. I’m trying to take action this time and hoping what I’m doing will work and balance me out so I can tolerate the protocol again. I’m on 20 billion cfus of probiotics and a tsp of coconut oil a day, and I’d usually have the confusion, dizziness and skin problems dealt with at that level of treatment but I think my adrenal fatigue (if that’s whats going on) is totally lowering my immune function against the fungus. Right now my plan is to take ashwagandha. acetyl-l-cartenine, pantothenic acid, and plenty of vitamin c every day. I’m having licorice root tea every day. I’m going to add in yucca root and siberian ginseng to my daily routine once I get them in the mail, and I’m also going to take adrenal cortex for a week. Is this too much at once? Should I start with some of these things and then add others in? If anybody has any advice for me please post back.

    -Day

    #89917

    TheEggy
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    You seem to be doing everything right. Don’t give up!

    #89961

    flailingWcandi
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    Seems like you have done your homework regarding AF/hypoT …. think more people here are suffering from adrenal issues than not: glad it’s becoming a more constant topic of discussion. Much of the supplements you are using should help some. I’d be curious as to what you think about licorice root; haven’t tried it to date as I’ve heard there are some potential side effects.

    Have you considered iodine therapy? (an important nutrient to thyroid health)

    From my understanding, it is just as important to take iodine co-factor supplements along with iodine, as it is to increase iodine. Some say it’s safe to take up to 100mgs of iodine/daily but, be careful to build up slowly since it can cause horrible die off. I got weird effects from just 1000mcgs/daily without the co-factor supplements but, those seem to be corrected with adding in extra magnesium/selenium.

    Another big factor is SLEEP….get as much as you can. REDUCE STRESS as much as possible: this includes stress from heavily restricted low carb diets.

    Adrenal fatigue suggests hypothyroid since the adrenals typically burn out trying to make up for what the thyroid is lacking, from my limited research. These are very complicated systems and are slow healers. Have heard it can take over a month to heal for every year they were compromised.

    FYI – anyone experiencing low body temps or night sweats/chills should start taking their basal temps (temp upon waking) as these systems regulate body temps. If your body temp is below normal (I have had 95.7 degrees in the past but, didn’t understand why at the time) it suggests hypothyroid/adrenal fatigue. A good reference and symptoms list can be found at stop the thyroid madness

    Blessings towards your healing journey.

    #90019

    flailingWcandi
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    This is a good post for everyone to read.

    #90024

    raster
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    Almost everyone on the forum likely has some sort of low adrenal problem or adrenal fatigue. The adrenals power the immune system so if your immune system is shot, it takes a lot of work to get it healed and back together.

    I also think its important to determine what type of adrenal fatigue you have and figure out the best way to heal it. A naturopath can help you do this; you may be taking the incorrect supplements to address the underlying cause of your adrenal fatigue and not make as much progress healing the adrenals as you hope.

    I had adrenal fatigue testing and my naturopath determined that I was not snacking enough throughout the day and that I was not chewing my food enough. I think almost anyone can improve their health, adrenal fatigue, and other issues relating to these problems by changing these two things in your life. It all depends which hormones are low and high and its different for everyone. If you aren’t getting enough sleep, this alone could jeopardize your whole treatment.

    It also takes a very long time to heal the adrenals from my experience, so don’t plan on a 1 week turnaround, but more of a 1 to 2 year turnaround. I am still gaining energy and my adrenals are still healing after being a year on the diet and supplementing myself with adrenal and thyroid support stuff. I only take one supplement for adrenal fatigue and its called drenamin and two supplements for thyroid called min-tran and min-chex. I just wanted to share my story so that you can think about how to plan things out.

    -raster

    #90026

    xday2dazex
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    Thanks for the support guys. I didn’t even think about the iodine so I might work that in. Licorice root has seemed to help. At first I think I had a leaky gut reaction to it but it’s been about a week and I tolerate it fine now. I’m trying to get in to a naturopath raster but it’s tough, I have limited benefits and I have to drive out of state to see an ND because they can’t become board certified in Rhode Island. I’ve come to the conclusion that I’m not going to truly heal unless I find a good naturopath so I’m making it a priority. I have an appointment with one early November so I’m hoping that will be a turning point. I’m just trying to find a way to keep going until then, especially with work so I can keep my healthcare. BTW one of the biggest things that has helped me so far is ashwagandha. My worried thoughts and anxiety slowed down and I’ve been much less stressed out since I got on it, but it’s just one piece of the puzzle.

    -Day

    #90027

    flailingWcandi
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    I agree, Raster, on most of your points.

    I just don’t think adrenals/thyroids are brought to the forum enough since it seems to be a major underlying issue with so many cases like mine. It took me months of hourly daily research, reaching out to others with similar symptoms to open the doors of thought towards AF/HT causing immune system disorders compounding candida symptoms. It explains so much of symptomatic suffering like low body temps which impair cognitive function to sift through all this complicated information.

    Not everyone can afford naturopath/acupuncture, unfortunately. Wish I could. Heck, I wish I could afford good endocrinologists as well.

    Also, anemia is something which forum diet protocol addresses through sea kelp and iron rich veggies but, in some cases that’s just not enough to raise levels expediently enough. Just drawing light onto this subject since I have read several members talk about being anemic and personally hadn’t put it all together myself until recently.

    Just trying to save some newbies from suffering more than they have to. It only took me over a year of failed candida treatments to understand why I got so much sicker during the process…..STRESS the ultimate killer….

    Blessings.

    #90375

    dforbreakfast
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    I’ve been experiencing sudden hair loss, my libido has bottomed out completely, I become zombie-exhausted for a full day after a little moderate activity the day before, my legs cramp up all the time now, and my body temperature has been chronically low for the past year at least. I keep hearing “adrenal” whenever i describe what I’m going through to health-nut type people.

    I was taking iodine for a few months before the bottle broke in my luggage a few months back and I never bothered to replace it. I think I will buy some more iodine, but I’d also like to start supporting my adrenal glands with a supplement or two. Can anyone recommend a supplement? I’d really like to only have to buy ONE (instead of 3 or 4) because I’m pretty poor with no health insurance.

    #90383

    jereseib
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    xday2dazex wrote: So I know this is a candida forum but I’m pretty sure I’ve been having some adrenal issues that have interfered with my treatment. It’s happened about 3 times now that I’ve had total physical breakdowns and been left useless for days after a heavy load of stress/work. Each time I had to cut back on my antifungals, and once even on my probiotics because the exhaustion was too strong and die off went from manageable to hell on top of the fatigue. I’m trying to take action this time and hoping what I’m doing will work and balance me out so I can tolerate the protocol again. I’m on 20 billion cfus of probiotics and a tsp of coconut oil a day, and I’d usually have the confusion, dizziness and skin problems dealt with at that level of treatment but I think my adrenal fatigue (if that’s whats going on) is totally lowering my immune function against the fungus. Right now my plan is to take ashwagandha. acetyl-l-cartenine, pantothenic acid, and plenty of vitamin c every day. I’m having licorice root tea every day. I’m going to add in yucca root and siberian ginseng to my daily routine once I get them in the mail, and I’m also going to take adrenal cortex for a week. Is this too much at once? Should I start with some of these things and then add others in? If anybody has any advice for me please post back.

    -Day

    I too have been suffering from adrenal problems that are convinced are the root of my candida problems. If I am under any kind of stress whether negative or positive my cortisol levels skyrocket. I had some adrenal tests done and my cortisol levels were extremely high even when I was sleeping. Ususally after a few days or weeks I completely crash and get extremely depressed and barely able to function.

    My doctors have me on a substance called HPA Calm that contains Phosphatidyl Serine which is suppose to reduce the release of cortisol. Im also taking Ashwagandha and 5-htp since my serotonin levels were low along with the anti-fungals and probiotics.

    In my experience there is a strong correlation between adrenal funciton and candida. Whenever I have an adrenal crash the candida comes back alot worse. I think one of the keys to beating this thing is reducing your stress load as much as possible so your adrenals can heal and the ant-fungals and probiotics can do their job.

    #90384

    dforbreakfast
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    jereseib wrote:
    I too have been suffering from adrenal problems that are convinced are the root of my candida problems. If I am under any kind of stress whether negative or positive my cortisol levels skyrocket. I had some adrenal tests done and my cortisol levels were extremely high even when I was sleeping. Ususally after a few days or weeks I completely crash and get extremely depressed and barely able to function.

    My doctors have me on a substance called HPA Calm that contains Phosphatidyl Serine which is suppose to reduce the release of cortisol. Im also taking Ashwagandha and 5-htp since my serotonin levels were low along with the anti-fungals and probiotics.

    In my experience there is a strong correlation between adrenal funciton and candida. Whenever I have an adrenal crash the candida comes back alot worse. I think one of the keys to beating this thing is reducing your stress load as much as possible so your adrenals can heal and the ant-fungals and probiotics can do their job.

    So what would you recommend for someone just starting out trying to get their stress levels down, as far as supplements? Is there just one I could take that would support my adrenals enough?

    #90386

    flailingWcandi
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    jereseib wrote:
    I too have been suffering from adrenal problems that are convinced are the root of my candida problems. If I am under any kind of stress whether negative or positive my cortisol levels skyrocket. I had some adrenal tests done and my cortisol levels were extremely high even when I was sleeping. Ususally after a few days or weeks I completely crash and get extremely depressed and barely able to function.

    In my experience there is a strong correlation between adrenal funciton and candida. Whenever I have an adrenal crash the candida comes back alot worse. I think one of the keys to beating this thing is reducing your stress load as much as possible so your adrenals can heal and the ant-fungals and probiotics can do their job.

    Well, at least I know I’m not alone. Many of the same symptoms in response to stress and the resultant crash.

    I agree, there is a strong connection between candida and adrenal/thyroids. Wonder if you have low iron as well?

    #90398

    jereseib
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    dforbreakfast wrote:

    I too have been suffering from adrenal problems that are convinced are the root of my candida problems. If I am under any kind of stress whether negative or positive my cortisol levels skyrocket. I had some adrenal tests done and my cortisol levels were extremely high even when I was sleeping. Ususally after a few days or weeks I completely crash and get extremely depressed and barely able to function.

    My doctors have me on a substance called HPA Calm that contains Phosphatidyl Serine which is suppose to reduce the release of cortisol. Im also taking Ashwagandha and 5-htp since my serotonin levels were low along with the anti-fungals and probiotics.

    In my experience there is a strong correlation between adrenal funciton and candida. Whenever I have an adrenal crash the candida comes back alot worse. I think one of the keys to beating this thing is reducing your stress load as much as possible so your adrenals can heal and the ant-fungals and probiotics can do their job.

    So what would you recommend for someone just starting out trying to get their stress levels down, as far as supplements? Is there just one I could take that would support my adrenals enough?

    It all depends. If you can I would strongly advise getting some lab tests done first. There is a lab called Pharmasan Labs in Wisconsin that my naturopath went through for mine. It will be able to tell you all your hormone levels.

    If your adrenals are already exhausted then that means you arent making any cortisol so youd dont want to crash them any further by using sups that lower cortisol.
    You would want some adrenal support formulas that would help build them back up.

    My problem is my adrenals are extremely overactive in response to stress so after awhile they start getting fatigued. So for me its kind of a roller coaster where I feel really wired and nervous for awhile followed by a crash where I get extremely depressed and barely able to make it out of bed.

    #90416

    dforbreakfast
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    I’m moving to a different state in the US in a few days. When I get there I’ll probably apply for Medicaid so I can maybe get some testing done.

    #90433

    flailingWcandi
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    dforbreakfast wrote: I’m moving to a different state in the US in a few days. When I get there I’ll probably apply for Medicaid so I can maybe get some testing done.

    Hate to chime in on this considering the day you have expressed you have had, DfB. yet, better to have knowledge upfront than to pin our hopes on something like medicaid. I’m NO expert on these matters but, have been through the ringers with them and have some experience to share.

    Not that any of us want to be “disabled” but, social security disability insurance as of June 2011 has included endocrine disorders as one of the ‘listed” conditions which is disabling under certain criteria. One can receive SSDI to enable them to become able bodied and get off SSDI as well.

    Food for thought: if you get state sanctioned medicaid, it will probably preclude you from filing a Social Security Disability Insurance claim (medicare) down the line. At least, lawyers to represent you won’t be that willing to take your case on and it’s very important to have legal representation for any claim. This is due to lawyers only receiving a flat rate if they are victorious which is paid by Social Security (not the claimant) and they get nothing if they lose. Therefore, they filter cases carefully and only take on ones they think have a good chance at winning, and even then the failure rate can exceed 25%. In general, medicaid tends to be a stop gap for people who can’t receive SSDI/Medicare.

    However, at least in California, if you are disabled for a prolonged period there is state disability insurance, which is much easier to apply/approval. Basically, a form (think you have to have some medical signature) but, it’s only a once in a life time thing and only covers 12 months. It doesn’t seem to effect one’s SSDI claim in the least and might actually help. That might be worth checking out, though you may have a better chance receiving it from the state you’ve paid into this system, rather than moving to a new state which you haven’t pain into. There is no health insurance with this, it’s just a monthly stipend. Moving alone could very well be used as evidence you aren’t disabled with SSDI if you are well enough to move while ill. I have read a court case where they used someone who took one trip across the country to visit their grandchildren as proof of lack of a credible claim. We’re talking big brother here whose reach is beyond huge: particularly now days with store gas/shopping cards tracking every purchase and seemingly any access to any records they want (thank you: anti-patriot act). Heck, they can put a detective on your butt to track your every waking move and interview your neighbors/friends/relatives/associates…….There is just too much fraud these days with such a horrible economy that there is little sympathy for people like us who truly are in disabled conditions and need the help these programs offer.

    My sad story includes years long battle with SSDI which wasn’t successful. Even though I had a 2 inch stack of medical records all showing my journey combing the state for specialists with a disgestive disorder and all these dx’s (mis-dx’s at that) along with substantiated pain /suffering it was ruled non-disabling. My only recourse was to consider suing them in civil Fed Court which I elected not to proceed since I still don’t have any new medical tests/records to prove an endocrine disorder. My representation took great offense I wasn’t willing to go through the scrutiny of a Fed case which most likely not win anyway, since that is the only way to protect my “rights” and preserve the medical history (he used nasty terms like I was depressed, irrational and even couldn’t mentally make the one decision he wanted me to make: TO SUE (lose), rather than admit he didn’t do what he should have within the SSDI system).

    Candida isn’t a “listed” disabling condition and I haven’t the medical history at this juncture to support an endocrine condition. Thus, chances of a favorable decision is far flung (that isn’t an irrational decision!). In hindsight, it was stupid to proceed with my SSDI claim without a firm dx of a listed condition. If I knew about candida/endocrine disfucntions I would have proceeded in seeking medical treatment/substantiation prior to requesting a SS/hearing.

    So, I’m stuck with trying to substantiate a new claim with new medical records, find new representation and when able to start a years long battle to receive medicaid: that is if they don’t rule it was all covered in this prior ruling. I don’t have a clue what I’m going to do when the new health insurance policy is mandated in 2014 – can’t think that far presently (my case is complicated due to a LTD policy which would prevent me from receiving a subsidized insurance program)…… like someone suffering from what we suffer needs all this additional stress, sigh.

    This is one reason why adrenal/thyroid/endocrine issues aren’t something to down play with statements like, “we all likely suffer from them to some degree” but, they are in fact very important on many levels. If in fact, someone has a severely compromised endocrine system which candida is a symptom of, then it is very important to treat it within western medicine: since SSDI won’t be victorious with alternative records alone. Also, it could very well prove to make a huge difference in their ability to heal from candida at all. Candida isn’t a “listed” disabling condition. Like with what happened with lymes until recently, it probably would take numerous victorious Fed court suits to get Social Security to finally list candida related complex.

    Anyway, this is all complicated issues which everyone has to decide for themselves. We aren’t here to “game” the systems but, keeping them in consideration could be very pivotal to someone’s life. Like making a move to another state and no matter how “good” it might seem at the time, could very well effect govt assistance programs. I suggest seeking proper counsel on disability issues as these programs are vital support and complicated. Better to have this information prior to making a move, rather than have a move corner you in forever.

    I for one wish DfB nothing but prayers of grace and healing. Perhaps we all need to pray for one another…….and for our country!!!

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