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    DanRead
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    Hi all

    Ok, I know some may have gone over this already. But frankly there seems to be a huge amount of conflicting information out there on whether candida thrives in an acid environment or an alkaline one. I understand that it all depends on which part of the body we are talking about, but it’s my rudimentary understanding that candida takes root in the digestive system, primarily the lower intestine, and as a result I’m finding it hard to take the “alkalise everything” argument at face value. I bought one particular e-book advocating such a strict “anti-candida” diet that I was having essentially no acid intake at all, was not consuming any protein, and felt ill and exhausted all the time. Now I’m back on a high protein/low carb diet close to the Atkins diet I feel much better.

    So, for my own sanity, I would appreciate it if people chipped in – or voted in some fashion – as to whether candida does indeed thrive in an acidic environment or not.

    Cheers

    Dan

    #64323

    whyitsme
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    thrives in acidic. I am taking greens as well as the candida diet, to help make my system more alkaline. I have a friend who swears on ionized water, that it is a huge factor in converting your ph babalnce. I however don’t have the money to invest in that kind of filter, so sticking with the greens. Had massage therapist and nutritionist also tell me to tkae greens to make more alkaline system to help get rid of the candida.

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    Diane
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    whyitsme wrote: thrives in acidic. I am taking greens as well as the candida diet, to help make my system more alkaline. I have a friend who swears on ionized water, that it is a huge factor in converting your ph babalnce. I however don’t have the money to invest in that kind of filter, so sticking with the greens. Had massage therapist and nutritionist also tell me to tkae greens to make more alkaline system to help get rid of the candida.

    Dear Danread and whyitsme,

    Whyitsme, i am going to have to strongly disagree you on this one, candida thrives in an alkaline environment and not in an acidic one. Now i know it seems logical to think that it thrives in an acidic environment, however I have been readin several posts in this forum and I read a very interesting one written by Able! You can find it in the posts thank you Able and he states very clearly what I have just said.

    I also did my own research on the net and found articles confirming what Able wrote, although I did not have any doubt

    Cheers

    Diane

    #64330

    Able900
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    whyitsme wrote: thrives in acidic. I am taking greens as well as the candida diet, to help make my system more alkaline. I have a friend who swears on ionized water, that it is a huge factor in converting your ph babalnce. I however don’t have the money to invest in that kind of filter, so sticking with the greens. Had massage therapist and nutritionist also tell me to tkae greens to make more alkaline system to help get rid of the candida.

    It would be interesting to ask both your massage therapist and nutritionist on what basis they came to their conclusion; certainly it wasn’t the scientific facts on the functioning of the human body. How long have you had Candida? Did either of them recommend probiotics?

    The information below is a combination of two different posts that I’ve made in a different area of the forum.

    To explain the natural pH balance which is normally in the human body; there’s a huge misconception about the acidic and alkaline balance in the body, and it all stems from the way our pH is normally tested. The way that’s done is to test the blood, urine, or saliva, and all three of these are normally more alkalized. So many people assume that the entire body is and should be more alkalized than acidic. But this is not necessarily true.

    The only way to get a true picture of the alkaline/acidic amounts in the human body is to look at one section at a time, because some parts of the body are naturally more acidic than others, and some more alkaline than others. So if you did a pH check on the individual parts of the body this is what you’d find:
    The skin is naturally more acidic, and so is the vagina. In a healthy human, both the stomach and the digestive system have more acidic environment. However, the blood is naturally more alkaline as are some other parts of the body. So this is why it’s so misleading to make a claim that the human body itself should have a certain pH balance, or that it should be more of one than the other because it really all depends on which part of the body you’re talking about.

    The reasons that a more acidic environment is natural and needed in certain areas of the body are because, for one, the skin needs to be more acidic because it has to protect itself from environmental factors such bacteria and toxins. The vagina also maintains an acidic environment for protection, and when the pH balance goes too high (too alkalized), yeast and bacterial infections can be the result.

    The stomach and digestive system are normally highly acidic because the digestive acids are part of the process of digesting and utilizing the foods we eat as fuel, plus the acidic environment protects us from such things as fungal infections in the digestive system. When the digestive system becomes too alkaline because of eating too many alkalizing foods such as fruit, then yeast is sometimes allowed to grow and Candida is often the result. Of course, too many of the foods that the yeast live on such as sugar and simple carbohydrates can also cause a yeast overgrowth.

    Below are some facts to think about as far as the human body and the acidic/alkaline balance that prove that fungi cannot survive an acidic environment but will thrive in an alkaline environment.

    Research has proved that pathogens are destroyed in an acidic environment and thrive in an alkaline environment (I’m referring to the stomach and intestines which are normally more acidic). On a normal basis Candida may not be considered a pathogen, but Candida albicans certainly is.
    “Candida: Any of the parasitic imperfect fungi that make up the genus Candida, which resemble yeasts and occur especially in the mouth, vagina, and intestinal tract. Though usually benign, Candida can become pathogenic, causing diseases including Candidiasis and thrush.” Source, Online Encyclopedia

    Also the reason that sweat and oils on the skin are able to create an acidic environment is so that harmful pathogens can be destroyed.

    It’s recommended that anyone with a Candida infestation should take high doses of probiotics, and this usually turns out to be one of the main reasons the infestation is cured. It’s a well documented scientific fact that beneficial flora in the intestines create lactic acid which balances intestinal pH, they also produce short chain fatty acids as a by-product of fermentation in the intestinal tract which serve as food for the mucosal lining of the intestines and are indispensable to musocal health and its functioning. In other words, the beneficial bacteria produce an acidic environment in our system. If producing acid isn’t a beneficial function for our system, why are the bacteria called ‘beneficial’?

    Why does the human body naturally produce HCl (Hydrochloric acid) in the stomach?
    Here’s why: The hydrochloric acid kills most of the contaminating microorganisms in the stomach which in turn allows for easier digestion.

    A statement made by another forum member, “A high alkaline diet will help to keep our bodies in the healthy, slightly alkaline state, rather than slightly acidic which is more common.” If that’s true, why does only a very small percentage of the population have Candida infestations if ‘slightly acidic’ is more common? Considering the theory of an alkaline environment being needed, it seems that the opposite would be the case.

    Even though most people believe that Candida cannot be contracted through sexual intercourse, I’ve seen blogs and forums where woman have sworn that this is how they contracted either a yeast infection or Candida, and when you know the facts, it’s not that difficult to believe. The vagina normally has an acid pH making the normal environment for the vagina acidic, but semen has an alkaline pH, so having unprotected sexual intercourse three times or more within a 24 hour period will produce an alkaline environment in the vagina, and providing other aspects are suitable, such as the normal American diet consisting of high carbohydrate foods and sugar, this makes it ideal for a Candida overgrowth or yeast infection.
    So if the vagina is predominately acidic in a healthy female, and Candida thrives in an acidic environment, why don’t all women have yeast infections — all the time?

    Able

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    whyitsme
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    Yes each of us and our bodies are different, including the reactions to candida as well as the treatment, so read everything you can, and stick with what works for you.

    #64352

    Diane
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    whyitsme wrote: Yes each of us and our bodies are different, including the reactions to candida as well as the treatment, so read everything you can, and stick with what works for you.

    Have You done your own research and did you read Able’s very informative post re acid and alkaline environment.

    I find your last post rather confusing however I also understand that it is your body after all.

    Good luck with trying to keeping it alkalized, I hope that you cure yourself

    #64355

    whyitsme
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    Actually a alkaline body is best for treating cancer as well. Cancer can’t live in an alkaline environment. It’s too bad that was discovered int he 60’s yet,due to drug companies and insurance issues, doctors can’t tell you that.

    #64358

    Able900
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    whyitsme wrote: Actually a alkaline body is best for treating cancer as well. Cancer can’t live in an alkaline environment. It’s too bad that was discovered int he 60’s yet,due to drug companies and insurance issues, doctors can’t tell you that.

    Did you read that some place?

    Oxygen increases the pH of the body (more alkaline). Hyperbaric oxygen therapy (repeated breathing of pure oxygen inside a sealed chamber) has been proven to have no effect on cancer cells and cannot cure it, yet it actually removes acid from the body. How is this explained by the theory you posted?

    Able

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    Diane
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    Diane wrote:

    Yes each of us and our bodies are different, including the reactions to candida as well as the treatment, so read everything you can, and stick with what works for you.

    I hope you appreciate that scores of people read posts on this forum and some people rely heavily on the informatioin that is found on this site!

    So i think that before we write sentences that sound like pure facts and nothing else, we need to remember that we have a responsibility towards the well being of others. So whyitsme, I would appreciate having the source of your knowledge, where do you get your information from and are you a dr or naturopath or anything like that? It seems to me that you are stating facts without having done proper research.

    Yes I Partially agree with your statement above, except that I would apply it purely and solely to your kind self!

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    Katy Gillett
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    Hi all.. my turn to pipe in.. I just found this article online which I thought was interesting and wanted to share with ya’ll.. I’d be interested to here what people think of it..

    http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html

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    Alby1970
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    Katy Gillett wrote: Hi all.. my turn to pipe in.. I just found this article online which I thought was interesting and wanted to share with ya’ll.. I’d be interested to here what people think of it..

    http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html

    Just so everyone knows, that website is committed to debunking all lines of new thinking or outside the box thinking in medicine. They are disdainful of the idea that candida is a common affliction.

    #64385

    Katy Gillett
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    Able did you read the article I posted? I realise that that site is disdainful of candida and other things they deem as ‘pseduoscience’ but does that mean all its articles are not worth discussing as some things really are pseudoscience? It seems to support your theory anyway…

    This might sound silly… but does it not perhaps matter what type of acid you’re consuming on a regular basis for it to be a problem? Maybe that’s where the theory stemmed from… Just a thought!

    #64391

    DanRead
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    This is all quite interesting. Personally I am more swayed by the “acid camp” as, from what I have read from the alkaline proponents it makes little sense to attempt to alkalise your digestive system since such a thing, from my own limited understanding, appears impossible and would be utterly disastrous if it were. If Candida does indeed react badly to an acid environment, how do we put this to our advantage? Right now I’m on a very low-carb diet and am taking Caprylic acid as a supplement. Are there any other supplements which may be a good idea?

    #64392

    Able900
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    DanRead wrote: If Candida does indeed react badly to an acid environment, how do we put this to our advantage? Right now I’m on a very low-carb diet and am taking Caprylic acid as a supplement. Are there any other supplements which may be a good idea?

    Are you taking probiotics? Also, oil of oregano if liquid form is one of the best antifungal products available. If you purchase the oil of oregana, find the posts about lessening die-off reactions and read those as well.

    “If” Candida does react badly to an acidic environment in the digestive system, then we should NOT take probiotics because the probiotics contain beneficial flora which put off certain acids – which, by the way, destroy the Candida.
    That’s about all we can do in the way of creating “less” of an acidic environment, other than continuing with the diet endlessly and taking antifungals to lessen the effect of the infestation.

    The body is naturally supplied with the tools it needs in order to correct a pH imbalance, unless it becomes extreme, at which times it cannot normally control the balance, especially when other factors are taken into account; then it becomes a matter of the body succumbing to an illness … such as Candida.

    We cannot destroy a Candida infestation with the diet and antifungals alone, the cure must include large amounts of probiotics in order to destroy the infestation. So as you see, when you couple this fact with the alkaline theory, it makes no sense at all to take the probiotics.

    Able

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    DanRead
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    Yes, but there seem to be quite a few probiotics to choose from. Can you recommend any?

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