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Vegan Catlady;56038 wrote:

Cat Lady, what kind of tinctures are you taking at the moment?
I’m having nettle leaf tea, seems helpful for a few hours, but need to support my adrenals to boost my immune system. I’ve noticed some symptoms (lymph-related) seem to come for a month, then go for a month. All seems like my immune system’s compromised at the same time.

A theory (unlikely) is that my roomate at college recently had mono really bad (coughing all over the place), and our shared room is TINY. I’m wondering if my body’s been exposed to it and is weakened. Similar story in November with people close to me with colds (resulted in me catching one).

I’ve had testing twice for my thyroid, and both have come back fine. I have many similar symptoms to hypothyroidism, so I’m doubting how extensive they were. So it could be adrenal-related.

Every time I make a bad diet choice for me, I feel fatigue and extreme coldness.
Im in Florida and its warm, but on those days I need the heat on!

My naturopath says that the thyroid can behave inadequately when your adrenals and other glands are not working correctly, and that it doesnt mean there is something wrong with the thyroid.

This is good, because my thyroid tests (several) have all come back fine too.

There is a direct pattern between candida flare-ups and thyroid symptoms.

I dont think your mono-theory is so unlikely. Sometimes fighting an illness taking hold can wipe you out temporarily.

I used to take Gaia’s Red Clover Supreme 3X a day for lymph/blood/kidney cleansing.
I dont anymore, because I use teas to put my other tinctures in, and the teas do the same job as the redclover tincture.
If I was serious about lymph cleansing/moving,Id probably do Lymph 1 Cellular Botanicals…but I dont have lymph issues anymore.

The other tinctures I take are Adrenal Support by Dr Morse Cellular Botanicals
and Endocrine Balance, which according to the pamphlet addresses pineal,pituitary,thymus,thyroid,parathyroid,pancreas,adrenals, ovaries,prostate.

The first thing I noticed was that within a few days, my mood and attitude was better.
Apparently it can affect the neurotransmitters faster than it can affect other issues of adrenal fatigue. This was good, because Im super-stressed and had moments of wanting to give up.

On my bad-choices days (I experiment alot) I do Herb Pharm’s Calendula Tincture.
This addresses both candida and lymph.

This is fragment of an old interview to Dr. Michael McNett taliking about candida and thyroid connection. I wrote some emails to this Dr in the past to share knowledge about this syndrome. The connection is real and looks like yeast metabolites impair the thyroid thermostat considerably.

Candida and Yeast and the Connection to Thyroid Disease and Fibromyalgia
An Interview With Dr. Michael McNett

by Mary Shomon

mmcnett.jpg – 16905 Bytes Dr. Michael McNett is President and Medical Director of The Paragon Clinic, a Chicago multidisciplinary clinic specializing in treating fibromyalgia and muscular pain. McNett has seven years of experience in Family Practice and over nine years in Emergency Medicine, with additional training in addiction treatment, pharmaceutical research, and integrative medicine. Dr. McNett has some interesting thoughts to share about candida (yeast) overgrowth, and the connection to thyroid problems and fibromyalgia, as well his recommended treatments, based on success he’s had with his patients.

Mary Shomon: In your practice, you see many patients with fibromyalgia and hypothyroidism. Have you found that there is a higher than usual incidence of candida in these patients?

Dr. Michael McNett: Very much so. We have known for many years that hypothyroidism causes fibromyalgia; all newly diagnosed fibromyalgia patients routinely get a thyroid profile to see if this is present in them.

In my experience, many patients with fibro who have normal lab tests still have symptoms of hypothyroidism. Most of these patients test positive for candida hypersensitivity syndrome.

Mary Shomon: Do you find that fibromyalgia or hypothyroidism symptoms also improve after a candida infection is treated? Why do you think this is the case?

Dr. Michael McNett: One thing that is very interesting is that treatment for candida hypersensitivity frequently causes all hypothyroid symptoms to disappear. Because of this, I feel that when the immune system attacks the candida cell, some chemical must be released that interferes with thyroid hormone’s ability to cause its effect in the cell.

Thus, at least in these patients, the sequence goes like this:

Something causes their immune system to aggressively attack candida cells that most of us tolerate
Immune attack causes rupture of the cells and release of their contents
Our bodies absorb chemicals released by the yeast, which interfere with thyroid hormone’s ability to cause its effect in the cell, and
the patient develops fibromyalgia symptoms.
Thus, the candida leads to the fibromyalgia and hypothyroid symptoms.

Mary Shomon: Why you you feel this doesn’t this show up in thyroid blood tests?

Dr. Michael McNett: The receptor for thyroid hormone (that protein that sits on the DNA) has several types. The type that is present in the “thyroid thermostat” (the parts of the brain, pituitary gland, and thyroid gland that set thyroid hormone levels in the blood) is a different type than the one present in the rest of the brain, skin, muscles, bones, and connective tissue. I believe the chemical from candida affects only the latter type of the receptor, so the “thyroid thermostat” is uninhibited, causing the blood tests to be normal.

Mary Shomon: What are your thoughts about how blockage of thyroid hormone’s effect can cause fibromyalgia?

Dr. Michael McNett: Thyroid hormone works by binding to large proteins covering genes on our DNA. If these proteins are strongly attached to the DNA, the genes are inhibited. If the proteins lift off and expose the DNA, the genes act as a “blueprint” for making enzymes to do various functions in the cell.

There appear to be two main DNA regions covered by proteins affected by thyroid hormone. The first one covers genes for a number of enzymes involved in energy production, and, when thyroid binds to it, it lifts up, causing more of these enzymes to be made. The other covers genes responsible for the production and detection of Substance P, which is responsible for pain sensation. When thyroid binds to this protein, it sticks tightly to the DNA, reducing production and detection of Substance P.

Thus, low thyroid effect causes decreased metabolism (fatigue, poor mental functioning, etc.) and increased pain sensation. These are exactly the problems experienced by patients with fibromyalgia.