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Thomas wrote: Dear Dvjorge,
I don’t want to enter in any battle here because I don’t see that this is benefiting all of us here. We have a common enemy and we should help each other not to loose hope in that battle or loose direction. I believe that we should share information, even have a debate on issues.
If a person sticks out his neck in this battle,wanting to show guidance, I see him much like a arising natural leader in a real war. One sign of a good natural leader is that he is leading the way and has experience in this. What I respect from Able is that he actually healed himself, that he spent time finding this diet which worked for him. You say that his case is a mild form. Ok. I dont know that because I dont know Able. But what worries me is that you talk a lot about knowledge you believe in. I must say I listen to you because you have spend much longer in that war than I and you have tons of knowledge I don’t have. I have a natural respect for your knowledge.
My problem with you and me not buying into your leading the way is that you haven’t healed yourself yet as I understood. If you know so much about what is right and what is wrong. Which steps have you taken from your own advice and how did the battle turned out. As I understand from your letters you are not cured today. But why do you think you are not if your analyse and your advice is the right one?
Have you removed your amalgams, if not why not. If you don’t have money to do it, why do you follow the diet here if you don’t believe it will help you? There is so much confusion in that, that you sorry me saying it get across as a “Besserwisser”, a Mr Know it all. Please take note that I said you come across, I am sure you dont mean it like that and that you are not it. But I too believe it is important to tell you honest how you appear to me. While Ables advice always have the person in mind and how the individual can move forward. I get the sense in your letters that you are all about what is right and what is wrong. Who is right and who is wrong.
You forget the people in that and how much they can follow.
To respect you I only can judge you then by what is working and what is not. Your advice has not helped you. You might be a difficult case for healing, and Able is not as you said. But as Able was helping himself and all the none difficult cases why didnt your advice, who is by the way thought for the difficult ones, not helping you?
I am really happy that someone knows more than I, really. But for me to really eat up your advice I have to see that its working on yourself. I listen and I learn but the real trust I have only when I understand better why you are not healed when your advice is right.
With time, you will learn that you may need to address more things in order to recover. Eliminating an intestinal fungal overgrowth when root causes are present isn’t something a diet and supplements alone can do.
If this was the case, there weren’t hundreds of people looking for answers for years.
Again, following any smart diet and taking supplements, you will get better. This is something that people following other advisers reach too. I don’t have any doubt you can reach this point.
The problem with this superficial protocols is you are as close to a teaspoon of sugar of having the overgrowth back. There are people that are able to do any sacrifice and keep the diet for life, but there are others that want a more consistent solution and don’t want to be candida prisoners for life. It all depends of individual aspirations.
What I have said, and have repeated is according to my experience and research, those people who have worked addressing their immune system following heavy metal detox and LDA have reached a cure or an state of health that allow them to resume their life without worry about what they eat. No matter if they chose the healthiest diet in this world, or if they want to eat junk food again.
I don’t see anything wrong with it, and wanted a person spreading this message when I began to battle it. Unfortunately, what is common in the web is this kind of protocol that doesn’t consider the root cause many times. That person never showed up when I began to learn, and I ended doing all the things a newbie does. The result has been I have to start over and over again because when I believe I am cured and release the diet a little bit (no returning to bread, pizza, burgers, soda, etc) but drinking a fruit juice for instance, the infection relapse.
This is something that happen in most cases, if not all. Then, researching, reading, participating in the forums I have been across many people who have had the same bad experience that me. I paid $100 consultation with a yeast expert Dr ( a real one that I admire her work who also have treated hundreds of cases ) All the answers, from her, the books, and from other stubborn cases experiences told me I need to address immune recuperation (several steps doing chelation, low doses of antigens, immune booster, etc ) to avoid relapse again. Those people who have relapsed won the battle for all after following similar path. This is what I am doing, and it takes time, I have been chelating since September 2011 following Andy Cutler’s protocol ( the best I could find after extensive research ) Oral chelation take years, sometimes 1,2,3 and ,more depending of the case)
I am trying to do something to avoid the bad experience of relapsing and to enjoy the success others have reached after chelation and immune recuperation.
To answer you question regarding amalgams, the first months of 2010, I removed them from my mouth, then, waited 6 months to begins chelation.
According to what Able has written about his own case, I believe his overgrowth was a mild case, it is my opinion and I am free of having it. I have seen cases similar to his case to resolve quickly. Unfortunately, most cases are with an story of using antibiotics or more severe health condition behind, those have to battle a lot harder and many are battling for years. According to what he has said, he still take care of the diet, and have released it in occasional moments only. That is his personal decision and I have nothing to argue ,but to claim I am cured you need to have better arguments. I don’t know what may happen if he starts eating an american classic diet for a month or two. Keep in mind that in my own case, it took around 3 months eating fruits, white rice, cheese, etc to feel the infection back. It is an slow process. It wasn’t eating pizza, ice cream, drinking beers, etc. It was eating things that I don’t want to renounce for the rest of my life.
To end it, you may find people who are happy of continuing their life following a restrictive diet and taking supplements, but you also find a lot of them that have other aspirations, and we need to respect them. !
What I have said is look for underlying causes, try to correct them to get better results. What happen is I have found wrong things in people posts that I don’t let them go. Of course, I am contradicting many things and the avalanche come over me. I don’t care and I am very happy with my journey learning it, my dedication , and efforts. This forum is new compared with what I usually visit, and most people here have only months in this battle. I have been dealing with candida sufferers since 2008, and only in the Yahoo group I write, I have more than 2700 posts (there are two Naturopath Drs posting since 2005)
What I haven’t hear about this candidiasis ?? I have been almost 4 hours a day in the computer reading and participating in forums since 2008. I have archives with many protocols including the Dr. Jennifer Daniels famous protocol.
Does it mean I have to be cured ??
No, this isn’t easy specially if you have root causes that don’t allow the infection go away completely.
Please, I won’t answer anymore in this thread. If you want to reply, do it but I ended with this discussion. I don’t want to continue over the same thing.