lmm;42854 wrote: Hey, Cheesey – Sorry you feel so shit. Your case isn’t much different from mine: chronic fatigue since 2007, and the yeast is just insult to injury. I’ve worked my ass off for some time, but I’m not improving (as far as I can tell). I’ve had constant die-off since September; my partner of 12 years is fed up; social and family life is pretty much ruined. You wonder how to get out of the hole. Sometimes I think of suicide; but I think this is an effort at exerting control.
More positively, and practically, I think, as people have said, recognise that you are very individual. For instance, SF722 doesn’t seem to have done much for me. But I was glad to try it. I’ve started muddling enemas. I truly hate doing these, but I have begun to see candida blooms and candida strings coming out in the pan. I’m going to keep going with this. I think the Th2 dominance is worth taking seriously, if you’ve had a compromised immune system (as we have), which may have allowed candida to run riot.
Whatever you do, it will hit your adrenals. I’m meditating most mornings now. I think this is helping. Stress is so difficult to avoid.
Take care –
Thanks for your kind words, Len.
Honestly at the moment I am shocked that this diet and protocol has had such a profound impact. When I first did some reading on it, as I am sure nearly everyone reading this post is aware, websites suggest that ‘you might feel a bit fluey for up to 2 weeks’. I thought ‘wow sounds easy’. Even when I read that it can be really harsh, I at least thought it would be confined to a short space of time. What absolute bollocks. I have never really been a healthy person (not for lack of trying), but I have never been explicitly ill for such a prolonged period of time. Even when I had a more severe chronic EBV immune reaction I was still running and going to work daily, even if it did make me feel terrible. The thought of going for a run right now is an absolute joke.
I think you’re right about the Th2 immune response. I don’t think it’s any coincidence, either, that fungal infections are vulnerable to a Th1 response. That’s why I think at the minute I am going to try to focus on just really, really supporting my immune system. From what I have read kefir is an absolutely fantastic immune supplement, in addition to having actively antifungal compounds. However, I don’t think it is enough.
Meditation (or mindfulness meditation, at least) is also a great support to the immune system! I have started meditating again after a long hiatus and with all this time on my hands I find that I am developing a better understanding about it than I had done previously. After 8 weeks of meditation, NK cells were shown to have increased dramatically. I realise NK cells aren’t active in fighting candida, however I think you need to support yourself from multiple different angles and not just target the destruction of candida or specific x, y or z nutrients. Moreover, regularly practicing mindfulness meditation actively alters gene expression to become more favourable for health. Actually, come to think of it, mindfulness also positively effects mitochondrial function too! What a winner for CFS! The list of health scientifically proven (or at least reliably indicated) health benefits is endless.
There are also other, less tangible benefits. However, sometimes I find that mindfulness can have something of a ‘die-off’ in that when you allow things to unfold that you have kept tightly boxed up for a long time it can be really quite painful.
Is it mindfulness that you practice?
I think for me that psychological issues are tied up with my physical issues, and I won’t really regain my physical health until I start to piece back together my mental health. Taking supplements and getting proper nutrition is no doubt absolutely integral, but I think it must be part of a much bigger overall picture. Regaining mental wellbeing in the throes of physical illness, however, is no mean feat.
moochpb;42867 wrote: Another thing. I had mono 14 yrs ago but recent bloodwork showed a high amount still in me. I have to do two more bloo panels and I might have walking mono that people can have for years causing extreme fatigue. It’s 4 blood tests and my other dr who actually ordered the tests overlooked it and didnt bother looking for my other two tests. So that can be a possibility?
I think that is kind of what is going on for me. Except, it is just that my immune system thinks that I have the EBV so I still have the symptoms of it – if that makes sense? Alternatively, I do have EBV and my immune system has been tricked into thinking I don’t. EBV should illicit a Th1 immune response, but instead something gets crossed and Th2 is trigger instead. As a result your immune system essentially ends up looking in the wrong place for the enemy.