klips32;42879 wrote: Cheesey:
I see that nobody mentioned that c. albicans will start to fight back, stacking cells upon each other making hyphals to get the hell out of the bad spots. This will lead to more candida in you bloodstream, and thereby most of you body. You will feel pretty sick from die off toxins and candida fleeing into you body.
I really thought the main thing about treating an overgrowth of candida was to hinder its hyphal growth with biotin, olive oil, bacteria, low PH levels (the lemon and apple cider vinegar) etc. Fighting the hyphal version of the fungus is very hard if not impossible for most.
Carbohydrates will do the same trick, but then again, feed the candida to get stronger.
This is exactly what I fear I have done to my self, eating some carbs and having the candida in a hyphal state most of the time when I tried to get rid of it. Kinda like feeding it when its strongest.
I’ve had just what you experience when doing a high dosage of garlic+oregano oil some+diet+diflucan 1½ year back, and felt so horrible! foolish of me, I was only concerned about getting the highest dosage possible and crack on with it.. That’s what I did the first time I got cured (was good for 1 month, then turned back to eating “normal” and got sick again), this is impossible to do now, my body just can’t fight it that way, strict diet gives me severe adrenal fatigue symptoms.
At the moment, I’d try to slowly step up on a stricter diet again before testing s. cerevisiae with some oatbran, rice cakes (i know..), buckwheat, green lentils etc. but I can only go so far with it, if I do it stricter, I just get more sick (balanitis, eyes itch, rashes, fatiqe, trush) and have adrenal symptoms.. Don’t really know what to do.
In short, I believe that you should make sure that you do everything to keep the fungi in a passive mode (bacteria, biotin etc). and get rid of the oregano, GSE and other stuff that kill bacteria.
And yea, im a fan of mindfullness too 🙂
I was under the impression that we don’t actually have candida in the bloodstream? That if we had candida in the bloodstream we would be on life support. I was under the impression that CRC is something entirely different?
At the moment I am just mega dosing on kefir to and building my self up day-by-day by ensuring I do not go past my energy limits. This has been working for the past few days as I am no longer having to nap in the afternoon and my stress is dying back down. I am going to continue to do this until I am back to where I was prior to restarting oregano.
Are you saying we should or should not be eating carbs? I can’t cut carbs out. If I wait till my evening meal to have any carbs in the day I will have an extremely low mood by the time I get there.
impossible;42893 wrote: Hi cheesey,
If its any comfort to you, you are not alone. And cfs is very treatable. I have been battling not only candida but a host of other things- cfs, blood sugar/energy problems, ocd, muscle pains/spasms, hormone (adrenal) problems etc. Inflammation and energy problems are a bitch. I think anyone that is predisposed to cfs for whatever reason will develop candida overgrowth when given antibiotics. The trick is turning around the cfs first. Cfs is always caused by or accompanied by immune dysfunction. Find the problem in the metabolic pathway and support the immune system and get it to calm down. Its alot of work, alot of studying, alot of tests and alot of trial and error. And alot of putting up with ignorant assholes telling you its all in your head blah blah blah (I just had to throw that in there, dont listen to em, if I did I would have never made the progress I have). I personally developed this major overgrowth because at the end of last year, I decided to try to treat my fatigue with a high fruit and vege diet, which actually had a positive effect on my energy btw. It fueled the mild candida overgrowth that I unknowingly had developed because of taking antibiotics for a tooth infection a year ago(word of the wise to everyone, dont ever get a root canal and get any you have taken out, read up on Weston Price and his work) I had previously had cfs for 10 years, and it got alot worse last summer. Candida made it worse and the heat really brought it out. Hence the diet change and bad infestation, inflammation and food allergies. This caused my cfs, and all the other problems I listed to become much worse. It, probably not unlike yours now, was previously so bad at times that I couldnt stand up and getting up and going to the bathroom was harder than running a 6 minute mile when I was healthy in my high school days. But with persistence and knowledge I have come a long way. I was having major problems on the diet as well. As it turns out the major cause in my case was that my body, for reasons yet to be determined, does not produce enough of the amino acid carnitine. This amino acid is responsible for shuttling long chain fatty acids into the mitochondria. If the body cannot do this, it cannot produce energy on this diet, or very much on a regular diet either. This supplement alone has taken me from wishing death upon myself to feeling just about normal, with all symptoms. There were a few others that I had major gains with as well. Im sure that this will help my immune system out which will help with everything else in turn. Im not giving up until I feel normal and have no active infections. Theres alot left on the table still.
Im just writing this to let you know that it is possible to feel better. Just dont give up. Good luck and we’re all here for ya.
Yeah I have OCD too! It’s a bloody nightmare. It’s come under control a lot recently, though I still have a few glitches in the system I am trying to address using CBT/mindfulness.
I think you’re right in that I need to address the CFS. My CFS specialist (a mainstream psychiatrist, actually) said that my CFS was likely caused by my immune system remaining active after my virus had been eliminated. My tonsils are my indicators of my immune system as they are chronically inflamed for some reason. I have noticed that my tonsils are extremely prone to ups and downs at the moment, but that actually at their down-time they appear to get smaller than they have done in the past 9 or 10 months. Perhaps this is the start of something good. I think at this stage keeping stress down, eating a lot of veg, drinking strong kefir, committing to mindfulness, taking my vitamin supplements and ensuring I do not hit my energy limits is going to be key to helping my body do what it needs to do. I still feel that there is perhaps a missing link though, and I believe my doctor is sending me either to an immunologist or an infectious disease specialist. I have not consulted my naturopath yet.